don't ruin the gaming experience for others

[Cigaran]

Try Party Finder. It's not an ideal solution, but you'll get a group of people who will take it slow and steady.

Sadly I've joined a few of those "No Skipping" PF groups and had others in them that joined simply to troll and bitch about people watching.

[Chukkaque]

Sadly I've joined a few of those "No Skipping" PF groups and had others in them that joined simply to troll and bitch about people watching.

That is just so dumb. Sometimes I wish XIV had the community base that XI had. In the 7 years I played that game I honestly cannot recall running into anyone who was just rude and obnoxious, unlike a majoity of the end game players in XIV. Its kind of sad :/

[Mcshiggs]

That is just so dumb. Sometimes I wish XIV had the community base that XI had.

It does, the community is just more spread out with more new people peppered in.

You have the people from XI that thought that unless you played for a decade straight, you don't deserve to ever be on or close to the same level as them, but are very unwilling to help anyone, because they already did that, you should be able to get it done on your own. These are the people that complained that Coil 1-4 gear was the same ilvl as mythology gear, or that Tidal weapons aren't more powerful than Animus weapons.

There are the party finder people that put up stuff like, Ilvl90+, must have cleared multiple times, I will kick you for mess ups or because I don't like you. These are the same people that would shout for hours in XI, need paladin aegis/ochain only, 4 song bard, dd DREM only.

Can't forget a large part of the XI community, the RMTs well they have their spot here as well.

[Duuude007]

Well the solution to this argument has more recently been that those who don't want to wait (most of us TBH), simply don't wait, and leave those who want to watch cutscenes in the dust, completing the dungeon as a 7-, 6- or 5-player group.

The way gear is these days, CM and Praet aren't much of a challenge even when carrying so many people.

And honestly, I agree with this method. If the one doesn't want to be a team player, the team should not be obligated to twiddling their thumbs for 15 extra minutes during a normally 20 minute (total) dungeon. The new player gets the full experience of the cutscenes first hand, without all the hassle of dungeon combat filler, and the party clears the dungeon without the hassle of waiting and doing nothing. Win-win.

[LunarEmerald]

If 7 people want to speed run and you don't, then you're the odd man out.

Just because it's your first time doesn't make you special. You have no more right than anybody else.

[Yshnal]

Some people are saying that if someone wants to watch the CS they can, and that they simply will lose the fights, but that's not completely true. If we rush through the dungeon, we can make some CS overlap with each other, and they won't be able to watch some of them (even at the inn, if they aren't aware at all that they missed something during the run). That's why I always wait before activating any cutscene if we have someone new watching them, even if we're going for a fast run. Sadly, some people don't care and keep going ahead, and I can't do anything but feel sad for the newcomers.

Anyway, we've had this discussion every so often since launch, and nothing has changed at all. Those speedrunners that don't care about anything or anyone but themselves and their own gain keep doing the same that they were doing right since the week after launch, and no amount of words is going to make them change their stance.

So, either you risk yourself with the DF (and that's what most folks new to the game do, as the majority doesn't come to the forums and don't know about this issue on those last dungeons until they're in them and get it ruined), or you make your own party using the PF (and even with that you're open to trolls and people that don't read the details on the PF announcement), or you do it with your FC or your LS of choice. To fix this otherwise would require some serious changes that I doubt SE is going to implement. Changes way better than the commendation system or the PF alternative, like those that have been suggested in this thread.

[Ranzan]

FFXI community

QFT wish I can like this a million times. They are they ones whit the ilvl 90 requirement for learning parties and the constant rise in ilvl requirements for old content. Ilvl 90 requirements for T1-4 is so redundant that it give me a headache. ..

[Cigaran]

That is just so dumb.

It is. I honestly expected that option to disallow skipping since at that point, you know full well that the scenes can not, and will not, be skipped.

Stuff.

Thanks for being part of the problem!

/s

[Mysteran]

If 7 people want to speed run and you don't, then you're the odd man out.

Just because it's your first time doesn't make you special. You have no more right than anybody else.

Actually, I believe it does make you special.

You only get one time to run through those dungeons as part of the story and see the story, cutscenes, and fights all in one continuous string. The story makes more sense and you get more of a feeling of being part of it doing it that way.

Personally, I'd prefer to see it where you can't continue the dungeon if anyone's watching the cutscenes as part of experiencing that story is the fights and the bosses. It's a lot easier for people who are there to do speedruns to use Party Finder than it is for a new person on their first run through. There are a lot more people who have done it before than there are looking to do it their first time so they would be harder pressed to get that group together in Party Finder.

I went through Prae a few weeks ago with a friend who got her first character to 50. We both watched the cutscenes since it was her first time and I figured if she were watching them I'd rather watch them too (I enjoy them anyway) and move through it together. The only bosses we were able to participate in were the last two. In makes the story disjointed when run through that way. On top of that, people in the group were trying to claim we were harassing and trolling them for playing through the dungeon and story as it was meant to be played. Even though I was chatting with them the whole time during the cutscenes and explained the situation.

[Duuude007]

1 person said "you can watch them in your inn" that was BS you get the LAST CS not all of them

This 'argument' is a product of ill-informed people. ALL of the cutscenes are indeed in the inn's journal, but... it is split into 2 locations.

Main Scenario Quests > Seventh Umbral Era
Duties > Instanced Dungeons

Thanks for being part of the problem!

Sarcasm aside, the problem was people can't watch cutscenes while in the dungeon. This solution allows them to.