My Opinion on why WAR is the superior Tank.

[Kitfox]

IB is the WAR response to PLD shield block.

I've heard you say this on a number of threads and I'm kinda curious what makes you think this way. From limited numbers between me and my friend, PLD's parry+block rate seems to equal WAR's parry rate, at least to the degree that they're comparable. Just glancing over something I got from running brayflox HM: as PLD I was getting around 8% parry and 17% block, give or take RNG, while I heard from my raid tank doing some parry testing that he was getting around 25% parry rate. From this I'm assuming blocks are calculated before parry, and since you can't parry and block at the same time PLD's get a significantly lower parry rate.

Maybe I'm missing something really obvious here, but I don't really see how PLD's block provides any kind of advantage over WAR's parry.

[Kitru]

Maybe I'm missing something really obvious here, but I don't really see how PLD's block provides any kind of advantage over WAR's parry.

In all of the testing I've done, PLD has a significantly better chance to Block or Parry than a WAR has to simply Parry (to determine whether it's absolute parity for Parry, all you'd need to do is take the shield off of a PLD and make sure neither axe nor sword has any parry on it; if the numbers are not significantly different, it's identical), and Blocks are always bigger than Parries (in the same gear except for MH/OH, my WAR parries for 24% whereas my PLD with the Onion Shield blocks for 26%). I actually considered that WAR might have a higher natural Parry chance than PLD, but I've seen absolutely no evidence for this (and I've yet to see anyone else actually put up numbers to support it either).

[Inosaska]

I actually considered that WAR might have a higher natural Parry chance than WAR

LOL Well that some damn nice logic going on here (Btw just poking fun Kitru <3)

[Menae]

I've heard you say this on a number of threads and I'm kinda curious what makes you think this way. From limited numbers between me and my friend, PLD's parry+block rate seems to equal WAR's parry rate, at least to the degree that they're comparable. Just glancing over something I got from running brayflox HM: as PLD I was getting around 8% parry and 17% block, give or take RNG, while I heard from my raid tank doing some parry testing that he was getting around 25% parry rate. From this I'm assuming blocks are calculated before parry, and since you can't parry and block at the same time PLD's get a significantly lower parry rate.

Maybe I'm missing something really obvious here, but I don't really see how PLD's block provides any kind of advantage over WAR's parry.

What are your respective parry numbers? What was he testing parry on? Need a little more hard info before I'm going to reject the hypothesis that both classes get x% parry from y parry.

[Kitfox]

What are your respective parry numbers? What was he testing parry on? Need a little more hard info before I'm going to reject the hypothesis that both classes get x% parry from y parry.

I did a controller test yesterday of 2886 hits and seems like my live numbers were skewed a lot. Probably forgot to factor out the dodges and most like had a ton of hits from unblockable angles. At 506 parry and 193 block rate I ended up at 16,0% parry and 25,5% block. So it was just me jumping to conclusions without having controlled numbers. Posting more numbers in the parry thread incase they help someone.