Is the New Design that Skill Doesn't Matter?

[Ikeda]

Not likely. SE has made it pretty clear that relics won't be the best.

Then they've broken their lore and it makes no sense. They turned summoner into a affliction warlock reskin for the sake of lore because summoning the real primals harms the planet, and they won't give dragoon a wyvern pet because the lore says dragoons hate dragons like some sort of crusader zealot. But now they have it where we're going through all this trouble to recreate what's supposed to be the weapons the strongest fighters in the world used to save the world but oh some weapons made by some civilization that was recently destroyed by Garleans just magically happens to be stronger than those. If the final forms of the Zodiac Weapons aren't the strongest weapons then they've broken their own lore when they refuse to in other circumstances.

[ispano]

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Except they haven't. Allagan Tech basically predates Relics by several eras.

The Allagan Empire was around in the Third Astral Era, Curtana for example was created in the Sixth Astral Era and Stardust as another example, the Fifth.

[Ikeda]

Except they haven't. Allagan Tech basically predates Relics by several eras.

The Allagan Empire was around in the Third Astral Era, Curtana for example was created in the Sixth Astral Era and Stardust as another example, the Fifth.

Except that's Curtana you're talking about not the Zodiac Weapons. The original relic quest was just restoring Curtana to its original power. Now the Zodiac Weapon quest is you taking Curtana and feeding it souls and whatever other methods are used in the future quests to transform it into a recreation of a different likely more ancient weapon. More than likely it's trying to transform Curtana and Holy Shield into a recreation of Excalibur and Aegis.

[ispano]

Except that's Curtana you're talking about not the Zodiac Weapons. The original relic quest was just restoring Curtana to its original power. Now the Zodiac Weapon quest is you taking Curtana and feeding it souls and whatever other methods are used in the future quests to transform it into a recreation of a different likely more ancient weapon. More than likely it's trying to transform Curtana and Holy Shield into a recreation of Excalibur and Aegis.

And the Allagan Empire is the most advanced civilization that has existed in the timeline. You can go back and forth with this as much as you want, it's not likely Relics will ever be the strongest. Because if they did that it would need to be locked away behind the strongest content and I don't want to see the forums if that happens.

[Felis]

But now they have it where we're going through all this trouble to recreate what's supposed to be the weapons the strongest fighters in the world used to save the world but oh some weapons made by some civilization that was recently destroyed by Garleans just magically happens to be stronger than those.

Maybe you should learn something about eorzea history.
The garlean empire is around 55 years old (it was a small republic before the current emperor made it a big empire)
The Allagan civilization existed thousands of years ago.

My biggest issue is that grinding low level fates without measurable progress has no secondary reward (no significant gil or seals or anything else).

With each Atma you get you need to do 1 zone less. isn't it a measurable progress in some way?

[Kazumac]

With each Atma you get you need to do 1 zone less. isn't it a measurable progress in some way?

Sure maybe measurable wasn't the correct word choice without further expanding on my point.

For instance you've accumulated 5 atma and are working on the 6th, there's no progress indicator for that 6th atma (next fate or in 1000 fates). Therefore saying I've found 5/12 atma really doesn't say anything with regards to how much time you've already spent or how much time still needed to complete your goal.

So in my opinion stating I'm 5/12 (gosh I wish I had this many!) isn't that helpful to gauge completion. I guess it means that at a minimum you'd need to complete 7 more fates... but that's kind of stating the obvious and not really a measure of total time/effort to complete your goal.

[SarcasmMisser]

Then they've broken their lore and it makes no sense. They turned summoner into a affliction warlock reskin for the sake of lore because summoning the real primals harms the planet, and they won't give dragoon a wyvern pet because the lore says dragoons hate dragons like some sort of crusader zealot. But now they have it where we're going through all this trouble to recreate what's supposed to be the weapons the strongest fighters in the world used to save the world but oh some weapons made by some civilization that was recently destroyed by Garleans just magically happens to be stronger than those. If the final forms of the Zodiac Weapons aren't the strongest weapons then they've broken their own lore when they refuse to in other circumstances.

Oh no not my precious lore. That is way more important than simple balancing decisions like "the hardest content should drop the strongest gear".

Which also justifies the zodiac quest as a necessary option. Some players have enough skill to do Coil, hell some of these players are the most skilled in the game, but if you can't find a group of 7 people who are equally skilled

But seriously, people should at least have something to gear up with in case the opportunity arises where they can do coil. Starting coil 6 as i100 makes life easier for you and your party rather than being i90.

This is a contradiction, if they are the most skilled in the game why do they need to gear up to i100 since people are doing it in current gear? In any case its a claim completely without substance, how do you know they're the best if they don't do hard content.

My money is on high allagan remaining the strongest weapons until more coil turns come out anyway, it obvious this is their design philosophy so debating it is just wishful thinking at this point.