Atmas and myth books should be tradable

[ApolloGenX]

There is no skill involved- If the atmas were a guaranteed drop on the FATES- people would be here screaming that it was a "welfare" weapon.

Therefor, the only real variable is the RNG factor- that is something completely out of the hands of the player. (Therefor it cannot be skill based)

Since the activity requires no skill (in fact many of the FATES are below max level) - and the RNG factor is an external factor- the only factor left is the player's tolerance for repetition.

If you consider tolerance for repetition to be the same thing as skill (or something to be considered an accomplishment) - then you would get much more satisfaction from an Asian grinding game. You also might just as well enjoy pushing a colored button over and over again.

Mind you- you are now judging player "skill" on something that has absolutely nothing to do with their ability to play this game or any other game- merely on their tolerance of repetitious activities.

I am not saying that it isn't a worthy consideration, however- since most of the game is farming and repeating the same content over and over again.

[Taruranto]

What fear? If you actually take the time and read posts without blinders. You would see that ppl are tired of Gil Buyers, typically players buying content clears due to lack of skill or items because they are too lazy to accomplish anything in this game.

I want interaction with players that don't cheat the system and learn to play, is that too much to ask for?

^ This is one of the worst comments I've seen on a MMO forum. You basically support illegitimate practices.

Way to missread my post. In a healthy economy, Gil-buyers and seller damage the economy. Unfortunately, due to the team behind this game not giving to much of a care about crafting and literally throwing items at the people GB and GL are basically innocuous since items barely sell and great sum of gil are useless.

Hence, it's useless to live in fear of RTM, you only end up damaging legitimate players. This isn't XI were money actually had a role and crafting took a part in end-game. What GB are going to do? Buy all the minions at the Market Board?

Think about legitimate players first, then think about RTM.

[Delmontyb]

RMTs would be very happy to hear this

I don't think it's always a good idea to not do something because RMT might (in this case would) take advantage of it. I don't think this is a bad idea, but that's just my own thoughts on the subject. Who knows, it could happen.

[Ooshima]

In any case, RMT or not, it defies story if ATMAs and books are tradable.

ATMA are supposed to be obtained by using your job relic weapon which is unique to yourself to drop. It's something that drop that shows you slayed some monsters, and your relic absorbs them to become atma form. Along the lines of how some weapons absorbed the souls and powers of their slain enemies to become stronger. It doesn't make sense if someone slay the monsters for you and pass you the atma and your weapon absorbs them as if it was slain by it. Just... wrong.

Then the NPC tells you it can be stronger if the weapon absorbs more soul, like how the ancient zodiac braves did. The tales were so old that no one really knows, probably the NPC and Rowena that's why he told you to approach her, which fortunately she had a copy. If the books were sell-able, this means people can keep farming myths and buy as much copies as possible to sell. 100 copies? 1000 copies? Ridiculous for such an ancient lost tale right?

[DoubleT]

Way to missread my post. In a healthy economy, Gil-buyers and seller damage the economy. Unfortunately, due to the team behind this game not giving to much of a care about crafting and literally throwing items at the people GB and GL are basically innocuous since items barely sell and great sum of gil are useless.

Hence, it's useless to live in fear of RTM, you only end up damaging legitimate players. This isn't XI were money actually had a role and crafting took a part in end-game. What GB are going to do? Buy all the minions at the Market Board?

Think about legitimate players first, then think about RTM.

um... the economy on my server has picked up nicely on almost all fronts since this last patch. And people still buy plenty of gil hence the reason there is still sellers sending /tells everyday

as to the OP, dumb idea for reasons already stated

[minihalcyon]

In any case, RMT or not, it defies story if ATMAs and books are tradable.

Suspension of disbelief was already lost when someone could get an atma from one FATE, while another might have to grind 100 fates in the same zone to get his.

[ReplicaX]

um... the economy on my server has picked up nicely on almost all fronts since this last patch. And people still buy plenty of gil hence the reason there is still sellers sending /tells everyday

as to the OP, dumb idea for reasons already stated

Same on mine, ppl gearing for 2nd coil with some Melded ilvl90s. Materia for crafting/gathering is selling well for the new recipes and nodes. Seal mats, myth mats, the list goes on. The market is far better now than it was when housing was released.

[Ooshima]

Suspension of disbelief was already lost when someone could get an atma from one FATE, while another might have to grind 100 fates in the same zone to get his.

The amount of people who gets 1 Atma from one FATE vs 1 Atma from 100 FATE remains the minority, at the ends of the bell curve. I don't have stats but looking at person experience and the players in my server, most people completed their Atma within reasonable time frame of 48-72 hours of grind.

Personally I think my Animus was done in about 90-100hrs total. My 2 other raid members who have done their Animus spent about the same total time. While Animus weapons still remain a pretty minority on my server, I've seen pretty lot of people with Atma weapon already.

[Deathscythe343]

I suppose if they did not want to alter the drop rate of atmas, they could change how the books are done a little bit. Allow players to the ability to buy all of the books as soon as they get the quest to gather the atmas. Make it so they cannot start the book portion of the quest until they have gathered all of the atmas. This would allow players the ability to still work on the quest, even if they are stuck on collecting atmas.

[Ooshima]

I suppose if they did not want to alter the drop rate of atmas, they could change how the books are done a little bit. Allow players to the ability to buy all of the books as soon as they get the quest to gather the atmas. Make it so they cannot start the book portion of the quest until they have gathered all of the atmas. This would allow players the ability to still work on the quest, even if they are stuck on collecting atmas.

Doesn't work that way, SE would have to alter the story too. Since you need to use Atma weapon to clear the book monsters so that their slain souls are absorbed into the weapon to make it more powerful.

I'd rather allowing players to buy all books at once, once you have the Atma weapon. You'll notice a few dungeons are repeated - make no sense to kill the same dungeon boss again and again, cos I've already defeated it and "absorbed its soul". Also, you'll notice we will be travelling to the same places again and again, just different mobs. Elite Quarryman, Elite Priest and what not. Most of them only have 3 at a time and there's a lot of time wasted on waiting for it to respawn. If all books can be purchased at one go, we will just need to visit that damn place once and kill everything there.

I think this would have made the 9-book part less of a chore.

Any maybe then I may be enticed to complete another Animus.