Quote Originally Posted by Niwashi View Post
If the rest of the group wants to keep trying, and it's just you that's leaving, then you deserve the penalty for leaving them short-handed.
Yeah, you're not getting what I'm saying. You're arguing the merits of two situations, neither of which are relevant. The party is pseudo-premade. So, vote-abandon is not gonna happen. Myself and the tank both argued with the group, that if they're not gonna try a new strategy, then we should vote abandon. They came into the DF and held the rest of the group hostage. They trolled. Instead of forming a PF group with the clear intention that it was a "keep trying the same thing until we clear it, regardless of ineffective it is" party, they decideded THEIR time was too precious and jumped into DF. So, now we have to waste our time? SE did not plan around that. And they obviously had no intention of working together. By there logic, they were already "short-handed"...