Loot Restrictions On i90 and Above Gear/Weapons

[Lasha]

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I remember the early days of smaller sandbox MMOs very well. Unfortunately this is a theme park we are playing in which means rides and souvenirs and you are a guest just like everybody else. To make a counterpoint, I have started leveling my WAR once I received ifrits axe. I leveled up my MNK when I received King Mog's fists. A class below 50 is not an indicator that one will never use the item, the same that you throwing your loot on an alt is no guarantee it will do anything other than satisfy your collector's impulse.

I understand and empathize with your point but it all boils down to a belief that your needs or desires are more valid than a strangers; or greed as the loot window puts it.

[Worm]

There's nothing "courteous" about passing gear you don't have

It is literally the definition of courteous. If you don't need a piece of gear or feel another person needs it more it's courteous to pass on it. I honestly don't know why you have to say things like "fragile sense of self-importance" do you like turning gear into seals that much? Do you so fundamentally believe in the right of people to turn gear into seals without typing a few words like "Just say something if you need an item for an alt class" that you have to make these posts about how we are all bound by the loot window? These are the same posts I see every time someone makes a thread about loot and they seem just as farcical every time. Of course it's common courtesy to yield to people with greater need! "Oh well you can't possibly tell if someone actually is telling the truth, I technically need those seals, etc, etc" ... what nonsense!

I understand and empathize with your point but it all boils down to a belief that your needs or desires are more valid than a strangers; or greed as the loot window puts it.

My beliefs, desires, or comfort are not always more valid than a strangers. The worst part is the majority of these loot issues could be resolved if people talked it out but you've got one side pretending they're Gordon Gecko and the other side silently fuming about loot rolls. Honestly, I understand it has a lot to deal with the ever decreasing value of loot and the changes in standards that creates, but every time I read these painstakingly crafted posts that do nothing more than justify every single type of shitty behavior with relation to the loot window I can't help but roll my eyes.

[Kiroh]

It is literally the definition of courteous. If you don't need a piece of gear or feel another person needs it more it's courteous to pass on it. I honestly don't know why you have to say things like "fragile sense of self-importance" do you like turning gear into seals that much? Do you so fundamentally believe in the right of people to turn gear into seals without typing a few words like "Just say something if you need an item for an alt class" that you have to make these posts about how we are all bound by the loot window? These are the same posts I see every time someone makes a thread about loot and they seem just as farcical every time. Of course it's common courtesy to yield to people with greater need! "Oh well you can't possibly tell if someone actually is telling the truth, I technically need those seals, etc, etc" ... what nonsense!

You're arguing something that has nothing to do with lotting i90. You can't trade i90 for seals, or even i80 for that matter. The highest gear level you can turn in for GC seals right now is i70 and I see no hint of that changing any time soon.

Secondly, if you decide to pass because you think someone else needs the gear more, that's fine. Other people will choose to lot, and it's their right to whether you think they need it or not. And frankly, who are you to decide who is more "worthy" than anyone else on a greed lot? Greed, however you try to make it sound more noble or justified, is simply greed. You don't need it for the class you're on, but you want it, they don't need it for the class they're on, but they want it. Greed is greed is greed, no matter the reason for it.

[Worm]

You're arguing something that has nothing to do with lotting i90. You can't trade i90 for seals, or even i80 for that matter. The highest gear level you can turn in for GC seals right now is i70 and I see no hint of that changing any time soon.

My mistake! However it really doesn't matter since right under this statement you again make arguments that defend someone rolling on an item to turn it into seals or discard it. That is of course why I always have an issue when I see these arguments on the forum since it defends bad behavior in an indirect way.

Secondly, if you decide to pass because you think someone else needs the gear more, that's fine. Other people will choose to lot, and it's their right to whether you think they need it or not. And frankly, who are you to decide who is more "worthy" than anyone else on a greed lot? Greed, however you try to make it sound more noble or justified, is simply greed. You don't need it for the class you're on, but you want it, they don't need it for the class they're on, but they want it. Greed is greed is greed, no matter the reason for it.

Hold on a second, if you're going to pull this "the game calls it greed so you literally cannot be expected to think about other people's benefit" blinders on hyper literal argument, then why is the chat box active during the roll? I mean if the developers didn't intend for me to talk about a greed roll and attempt to create the best result shouldn't I be muted while gear is being rolled on? I mean honestly, come off it, Need and Greed are just words, throwing out the words like they're some moral guidepost on is just silly. The idea that things can't evolve and change organically because of some choice of verbage is silly. I have no idea why so often so many people have such an issue with the suggestion that it might be better if people were less grabby and a little more contemplative about loot.

[LexSunfire]

Hold on a second, if you're going to pull this "the game calls it greed so you literally cannot be expected to think about other people's benefit" blinders on hyper literal argument, then why is the chat box active during the roll? I mean if the developers didn't intend for me to talk about a greed roll and attempt to create the best result shouldn't I be muted while gear is being rolled on? I mean honestly, come off it, Need and Greed are just words, throwing out the words like they're some moral guidepost on is just silly.

this doesn't make sense. sure they gave you a way to talk when lotting on gear. that doesn't mean that your justified greed is better than someone else's greed that you've decided is not justified.

[Kiroh]

My mistake! However it really doesn't matter since right under this statement you again make arguments that defend someone rolling on an item to turn it into seals or discard it. That is of course why I always have an issue when I see these arguments on the forum since it defends bad behavior in an indirect way.

Hold on a second, if you're going to pull this "the game calls it greed so you literally cannot be expected to think about other people's benefit" blinders on hyper literal argument, then why is the chat box active during the roll? I mean if the developers didn't intend for me to talk about a greed roll and attempt to create the best result shouldn't I be muted while gear is being rolled on? I mean honestly, come off it, Need and Greed are just words, throwing out the words like they're some moral guidepost on is just silly. The idea that things can't evolve and change organically because of some choice of verbage is silly. I have no idea why so often so many people have such an issue with the suggestion that it might be better if people were less grabby and a little more contemplative about loot.

The game is designed to allow people to greed on an item, regardless of any other factors aside from it being in the loot pool. There is absolutely nothing wrong with setting up runs where you lock gear, there is absolutely nothing wrong with asking if you can lock a piece before it actually drops. What is selfish is assuming everyone else wants to give up that gear for you when you have mentioned NOTHING about it in the last 30-60 minutes before it actually drops. If you can't be bothered to even think about it, why would anyone in their right mind assume you actually need it much less any more than they want it?