Loot Restrictions On i90 and Above Gear/Weapons

[Obysuca]

Most of these people never plan on leveling because they only had their sub class to 15 and nothing else leveled...

Is there any way a loot restriction can be placed for those who don't have the proper level character to be able to greed? I know this sounds more selfish but for the people who could actually use the items get screwed by those who have no intent on ever leveling them..

All of this and some more of this. Sure it's selfish, but it's even more selfish when someone needs/greeds on the piece of gear you've been wanting and come to find out, they don't even have the job unlocked -.- While yours is at 50

[chocomaid]

Something drops for X Class. If you're not on X Class, and the other person isn't, you're both on equal grounds. If you want that specific loot, go on that class, simple as that. Arguing that someone is not on the level that they can use said item is irrelevant, if someone wanted to level a class, they can do it in a week, maybe even less. As someone has said, getting loot on a non-50 class can be a motivation to level it. I was spamming Ifrit HM with my paladin to get the warrior axe before I wanted to level it, I wanted to have a weapon at the ready when it hits 50. (took me a good 70 runs, losing 6-7 axes because I couldn't need, didn't complain though!)

Imagine this. A music shop only has one acoustic guitar left up for sale. Two people walk in and they both wanted to buy it. One is an aspiring young kid that wants to learn guitar and one is an experienced musician. People are arguing that the musician has a greater right to buy the guitar. No, both the customers have the same right and should be decided fairly, toss a coin for example. Just because the other person won't be able to utilize that item fully YET, doesn't mean that they should be deprived the chance.

EDIT: Also I realized you are being lazy. It dropped once, it will drop again. That person that took that loot might have ran that trial dozens of times, you don't know, maybe you do. If you want it, go on that class, or go on your "preferred" class and risk getting outrolled fairly. If you want a more specific loot rules, there is also the choice of making your own group, your own rules, or run it with friends till you're all happy with all your loot. I just realised people are too focused on loot =_=, why can't people just have fun playing.

[dejavutwo]

I never understood why people greed on things for classes that they don't even plan on leveling. It would be nice if people who weren't interested in the other class wouldn't roll on loot for that class so that someone who will actually use it can get it.

Since I only play monk and white mage, I only roll on gear for those two classes. Even though I have a few other classes at 50, I pass on all the gear from them because I know I won't play them.

Having said that, if your going to do Leviathan X for a mirror, chances are you will have multiple sets of every weapon before you get your mirror.

[Lasha]

You have no right to the loot in a public group. I fully understand your point but it is a sentiment best reserved for FC/LS parties. I can ask to greed MNK stuff to my mates because they know I will pass on anything I don't directly need. In public there is no guarantee you will ever see the rest of your party again thus no basis for such trust to be established. Just farm myth up to get an alt geared while supplementing with pieces from dungeons then run the trials yourself.

[Obysuca]

stuff and things

It's not so much as "having the right", it's more common courtesy and not to be a dick about things just because you "might not see them again". I remember a time on mmos when people actually (for the most part) had manners on a mmo, knowing that if they were a douche, everyone and their galka would know about it. Sure you can do as you said, farming myth, but why should we be inconvenienced all because someone feels like needing/greeding on a piece of gear they'll never use, just because they can?

[valho]

It's not so much as "having the right", ...

Unless the other person specifically mention that they need that loot, otherwise how I would I even know that they need it. It's easy enough to have all classes to 50, so it's not even a good indication that just because the other person have the class at 50 they would need the loot, let alone use it. And how would you know that the other person wouldn't level up the class after they got the weapon. Just because the person have that class at low level doesn't mean that they do not plan to level them, you are all just assuming that.

If you want a certain item, either go with the class that can roll need for it or if it's not possible, mention before hand that this is the loot you are looking for. If you did not do that then it's free roll for everyone.

[Worm]

mention before hand that this is the loot you are looking for.

Exactly, if people don't speak up that's sort of the end of it. Honestly I feel like players in this game just have loot and communication issues. I've seen multiple posts on the forums where people have little to no regard for people because they came in from duty finder. Alternatively a lot of these 'sour grapes' posts come form people who don't even bother to address the issue of alt-loot quickly before the pull.

edit: sorry for the ninja edits

[chocomaid]

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Listen to yourself O_O

"I've got more level 50s than you, so I should have a bigger percentage of the loot!"

Seriously though, how does one know that they are never going to use these items, do you interview them afterwards and they reply straight with "I just greeded, I'm not going to use it at all"? Assuming that they are not going to use it to defend your greed is mind-blowing. That "douche" you are talking about might have just started playing 2 weeks ago and didn't have time to level as many 50s and actually might be a down to earth person. But of course, just because they greeded on the same ground as you, they are automatically tagged as a greedy douche. Wow.

[Worm]

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This post is really needlessly catty. Obysuca was more referring to the way people behave given the Duty Finder system with regards to other MMOs where rolling on gear you didn't need or weren't going to use would carry dire consequences. Granted that was a combination of everyone being on the same server AND that gear being way more rare and important since it was usually non-instanced contested content.

She was responding to a person who essentially was dismissing the issue of whether the loot went to someone who would use it or not because "you won't see those people again" I agree that it's a pretty bad justification for not thinking about or discussing loot. Even though within the context of this discussion most people farming Levi EX are looking for mirrors not weapons.

It's partially a question of changing standards but more an issue of changing value of loot. You have players who still view loot as something very valuable that should be rightfully assigned and treated with a degree of reverence. Not everyone feels that way because they don't have experience with the systems we've had experience with. Though you're reading "douche" as a condemnation of the hypothetical person in OP's scenario while I feel the word was more to refer to general loot impropriety in the days of yore.

edit: Maybe all these threads are destined to turn out this way with one contingent saying things like "Well you can't tell me I don't need the seals I'll turn that item into" and the other raging against them but silently smoldering in every dungeon and duty rather than setting an example for people.

[Kiroh]

No. As much as you may not like it, nothing is owed to you and you don't deserve anything. The other person lotting did all the work necessary to be able to lot on the gear, they cleared the dungeon and it dropped. That's it, that's literally the ONLY thing that entitles anyone to lot on any gear, ever.

There's nothing "courteous" about passing gear you don't have, and frankly there's no reason someone else should give up that lot because you think you deserve it more. If you want the gear, either be on the class to need, or create a group with the loot rules expressly stated BEFORE you even enter. If you don't, don't except people to pass on something they can lot just to spare your fragile sense of self-importance.