Leviathan Ex Weapons screw over Paladins & White Mages

[KingOfAbyss]

Yes, but you get a bear/lion after running it the prerequisite 200 times to get a mirror so that's something right?

Even if you are joking, it's only a matter of time that other jobs will QQ (if not already) and ask for mounts as well.

Like: Healers unite! Let's stop healing until SE will see we are lacking!

OP: as a fellow Main PLD, yes it sucks, but other possible venues are there until you get these drops.

Granted, with our limited amount of time, we need to make decisions about what we want and where we want to go.. I've been putting my DOH/DOL ever since patch 2.2 came out, and there's lots to do..

But my mount I shall get!

[PArcher]

You are missing the whole point.. BOTH should be upgraded with one. You are justifying them getting less stats because if the weapon is upgraded, you get the same weapon damage. This still leaves them without ilvl 100 stats that any other job would otherwise have. Getting one mirror is ridiculous enough, expecting them to waste 2 (when they most likely have other classes to spend it on as well) on essentially one upgrade is dumb.

You get more stats out of using a Fantasia to switch races to the one with the best stats for your job than upgrading the shields.

Think about that for a minute. Your race having more impact on your class than upgrading this shield does

[TeaTimeBear]

I'm not at Levi yet, how obscure is this mirror drop? Same type if RNG deal as Atma?

[Traek]

You get more stats out of using a Fantasia to switch races to the one with the best stats for your job than upgrading the shields.

Think about that for a minute. If you're not the best race for your main job, you're not someone to talk about needing that 1 STR/VIT/MND/PIE the un-upgraded shield "loses".

What does that matter? It is still a lesser upgrade without it including both. By your logic jumping 5 ilvls is superfluous on most if not all ilvls. They should have made soldiery i95 because it doesn't matter right? Stats add up in the end. Whether or not it is a small disadvantage, it is still a disadvantage that you and others are mitigating just because there are other options (that other people have as well).

[Remn]

You get more stats out of using a Fantasia to switch races to the one with the best stats for your job than upgrading the shields.

Think about that for a minute. Your race having more impact on your class than upgrading this shield does

So goin by you logic , SE should make every class farming 2 mirror to get upgrade? this topic was never about min/max stat. it was about why PLD and WHM have to farm the same item twice (at 2% ish drop rate) to get full upgrade.
Please go troll some where else ...

BTW the upgrade version of the weapon has grow effect (blue color) look a lot cooler than animus to me.

[Nukocafe]

I'm not at Levi yet, how obscure is this mirror drop? Same type if RNG deal as Atma?

Apparently it's like 1 drop every 40 runs or so. I've yet to see but I've only begun my farming last weekend and only did about 5 runs.
Friend got super lucky and got his after 7.

[PArcher]

What does that matter? It is still a lesser upgrade without it including both. By your logic jumping 5 ilvls is superfluous on most if not all ilvls. They should have made soldiery i95 because it doesn't matter right? Stats add up in the end. Whether or not it is a small disadvantage, it is still a disadvantage that you and others are mitigating just because there are other options (that other people have as well).

That's the thing...5 ilv on anything but your weapon is almost worthless, unless you are an absolute hard-core progression person trying to clear T9, min/maxing everything you have (including your race). 1 Attribute point isn't going to make or break anything; neither is 2.
Pre 2.2 many tanks wouldn't wear the Vortex Ring of Fending, instead using Ultima and Hero's Fending Rings if they had no Allagan Ring of Fending, due to the bad secondaries on the primal ring; 2 VIT wasn't worth the loss of Parry to many.

[Nukocafe]

That's the thing...5 ilv on anything but your weapon is almost worthless, unless you are an absolute hard-core progression person trying to clear T9, min/maxing everything you have (including your race). 1 Attribute point isn't going to make or break anything; neither is 2.
Pre 2.2 many tanks wouldn't wear the Vortex Ring of Fending, instead using Ultima and Hero's Fending Rings if they had no Allagan Ring of Fending, due to the bad secondaries on the primal ring; 2 VIT wasn't worth the loss of Parry to many.

I think you're missing the entire point of the fact that even if it's 1 or 2 points, yea it doesn't matter, BUT it's still not fair.



It's like going to a bakery, you and the guy in front of you ask for a baguette. You both get the same baguette but the person at the counter tells you that you have to pay 2x then what the guy in front of you. Sure it might only be $1-2 more for a cheap baguette, but why should you pay more money for the same item?

[Moheeheeko]

That's the thing...5 ilv on anything but your weapon is almost worthless, unless you are an absolute hard-core progression person trying to clear T9, min/maxing everything you have (including your race). 1 Attribute point isn't going to make or break anything; neither is 2.
Pre 2.2 many tanks wouldn't wear the Vortex Ring of Fending, instead using Ultima and Hero's Fending Rings if they had no Allagan Ring of Fending, due to the bad secondaries on the primal ring; 2 VIT wasn't worth the loss of Parry to many.

the shield might not give much in a stat boost, but you do realise that by having a main hand and a shield SPLITS the stats that just a 2 hander would do.

so in this case while a drg would get a 5%(just throwing out a number) boost in stats for 1 mirror, for a paladin or whm to get that same 5%, they need TWO miorrors.

[Traek]

That's the thing...5 ilv on anything but your weapon is almost worthless, unless you are an absolute hard-core progression person trying to clear T9, min/maxing everything you have (including your race). 1 Attribute point isn't going to make or break anything; neither is 2.

Again, it doesn't matter. It is 5 ilvls different. If SE made all your main classes soldiery i95 instead of all the others being i100, you are saying that would be ok. You aren't progressing T9, so it shouldn't matter to you. Right? Something tells me that wouldn't fly with you, or anyone else. Stop mitigating SE's bad decisions with bad logic.

Pre 2.2 many tanks wouldn't wear the Vortex Ring of Fending, instead using Ultima and Hero's Fending Rings if they had no Allagan Ring of Fending, due to the bad secondaries on the primal ring; 2 VIT wasn't worth the loss of Parry to many.

This is very debatable, and is even being debated even now in the Tank forums. Secondary stats have always sucked in FFXIV. This doesn't exclude Parry. VIT is considered king by many, and every little bit helps for Coil progression groups. They don't need to be on bleeding edge T9 to need the extra stats, as there is also skill gaps between top end raiders and not.