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  1. #1
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    ImDingDing's Avatar
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    Dingding Ding
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    Warrior Lv 80

    10 Hasty Touch 3-star rotation, my gift to the community before AFK

    Dear all,

    This is Ding Ding from Behemoth [US], so I randomly decide to cancel my sub today and I will be AFK in 20 days. Mainly due to hard to find a static raid group on my server during Asian hour after some of my old members left.

    Since I haven't seen anyone post the rotation before I think this will be a good thing I can share (as I promised before) with you guys.

    You only need 391/374/345 plus HQ CP food (43CP) for this rotation. The progress is 100% guaranteed (so no rapid syth gamble) with 10 HT before GS-BB, if you can land all of them (aka 11 inner stacks) you can reach 100% HQ rate from 0 quanlity (the chance is less than 5%). I suggest using some HQ mats in order to start with 1450 to 1900 quanlity. You should be able to reach 100% with 8 inner stacks. You need at least 1 ToT during 20+ steps in order to get 8.4 or 8.7 expected inner stacks. Since the probability of a "good" is 25% per step you almost always get at least 1 ToT, so don't worry.

    1. CZ
    (if good use ToT)
    2. Inner
    (if good use ToT)
    3. WN
    (if good/ex, Don't use ToT, just HT)
    4. SH II
    if good/ex use HT, otherwise use PbP
    if good/ex use HT, otherwise use PbP (if you hit multiple good back to back, just HT, make sure you hit PbP x 2 when you have normal and SH up)
    5. HT
    6. if good and you haven't got a ToT before use ToT, otherwise use HT until SH II went off
    (SH II should went off before or at the same time with CZ, otherwise you did something wrong)
    7. if SH II went off and you still have 2 turns of CZ and it's not a good, HT
    8. if SH II went off and you have 0 or 1 turn of CZ and it's not a good, refresh CZ
    9. if good use ToT, otherwise SH II
    10. if good and you haven't got a ToT before use ToT, otherwise use HT until 15 durability
    11. at 15 durability, if good or only one turn of SH II remain, use HT, otherwise use MM II
    12. Don't refresh SH II, if good use ToT, otherwise just HT until 55 durability
    13. if good use ToT, otherwise SH II
    14. HT x 2 (if you had 3 ToT before you can use BT x 2, if you had 2 ToT before you can use HT, BT or BT, HT. bait and use BT on good)
    (Now you should have 35 durability left and 88+ CP)
    15. if ex use BB, otherwise use GS
    16. if good/ex use BB, otherwise use Ingenuity II (IG II effect very little on the final quanlity, close to 250 with 8 inner stacks, so I use GS before IG II in order to bait one more chance for good/ex)
    17. BB
    18. CS II x 3
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    If you followed all of them, you should be able to hit 9 HT under SH II and 1 HT without SH (if your ToT was not on SH II) or 8 HT under SH II and 2 HT without SH (if your ToT was on SH II) before GS-BB, both result has a higher expected inner stacks (final quanlity) than any other rotations I have seen on this forum or reddit.

    I have made close to 100 end products with this rotation, the HQ rate is 93%, you can raise it up to 96% to 99% if you use all HQ mats to start with 2490 quanlity. I have made 32mio gil plus 40+ HQ end products on MB after the cost for re-melding all my DoH/DoL sets and a penta melding tank set for myself since 2.2 launch.
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    Some thoughts:
    a. Control: 374 control is enough, even with 400 control you will only improve your final quanlity by 400 (suppose 8 inner stacks) so save your gil.
    b. Craftmanship: With current gears, I don't think it will be possible to get craftmanship high enough in order to replace the progress rotation by PbP plus CS II x 4 (save you 15 CP), so 391 is enough, save your gil. (the cheapest melding set is +5 control/+9 craftman on the AF body, +3 control/+9 craftman on the offhand)
    c. CP: this is the only issue for a 100% HQ rotaion, if we get some high ilv CP Acc in 2.3, HQ 3-star will be a cake walk like the 2-star in the old days.
    d. Innovation: waste of CP, it will only improve the final quanlity by 250 to 400 (suppose 8 inner stacks), you should use this 18cp to replace a HT by BT earlier.
    e. reclaim: don't use it when crafting 3-star mats since you may lose the mats 10% of the time and you don't really need them for the final product. reclaim on the end product is a question of whether [NQ value - 0.9*(HQ value * 0.93 + NQ value * 0.07)] > 0 ???
    f. gamble on 3-star mats crafting: since we don't need to HQ the mats 100% of the time. We can take more risk in order to get a higher expected final quanlity (specially useful for ACL stuff). Here is how:
    Rapid syth gamble (this will give you one more HT)
    bait good/ex by changing the order of CS II and BB, the consequence is your BB will not be under SH (you may fail 10% of the time) but you will get 2 more chances of landing BB on good/ex

    Good luck on your syth,
    Happy crafting,
    d(^o^)b
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    Last edited by ImDingDing; 04-15-2014 at 04:01 PM.
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    Roth_Trailfinder's Avatar
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    Roth Trailfinder
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    Nice read!

    Innovation ... I looked at it, thought "this is nice" and then started to play with it. It only raises your Control by 50% of the BASE. In you have 400 Control as your base, regardless of IQ Innovation will only add 200 Control to your total. It brings you from 400 to 600, or from (at 11 IQ stacks) 1200 to 1400. If you have 374 Control, then it only raises it by 187.

    It is good for bringing your Control up and over what you can get with IQ, but that's it.
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    M60-Maniac's Avatar
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    Madara Uchiha'
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    Blacksmith Lv 62
    I did see you mention this, I'll give this a test, 11 iq stacks sounds lovely lol. Thanks for sharing
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    Butta Stackz
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    Midgardsormr
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    Gladiator Lv 80
    Thanks for sharing Ding Ding! Sorry to see you go! Hope everything works out. Your always welcome to our group on Midgardsormr. We just started Tackling T6 last week.
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    Last edited by PROBOUND; 04-15-2014 at 10:01 PM.

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    Simaril Ratbane
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    Carpenter Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by ImDingDing View Post
    gamble on 3-star mats crafting: since we don't need to HQ the mats 100% of the time. We can take more risk in order to get a higher expected final quanlity (specially useful for ACL stuff). Here is how:
    Rapid syth gamble (this will give you one more HT)
    bait good/ex by changing the order of CS II and BB, the consequence is your BB will not be under SH (you may fail 10% of the time) but you will get 2 more chances of landing BB on good/ex
    d(^o^)b
    That's an interesting way of thinking I hadn't considered. I just realized I really DON'T want NQ silver brocades (on any other crafted 'tomes'), and rapid synth might have value there...
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    Elasia Squishie
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    I saw your post awhile back about 10 HTs and wondered if your method was similar to mine or not. I also have been using a 10 HT rotation with a guaranteed item at the end. My goals are about to be reached so I may post mine as well which has very similar rates to what the above rotation gives. The key difference is that mine is a mass manufacturing macro with only 2 key decision points which allows me to be fairly heavy handed in the markets and not have to really even think which is pretty much the old 2 star system but now you got a little economy theory put in. I've cleared you could say around the same, I had far less remeld work and was only my offhands I had to do and didn't make any other fighter sets for myself so im up around 45-50m I've extracted off the Leviathan server
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    Since you got all classes to 50 (your crown just like mine), you just don't want to try to switch server and check around before giving up all this time investment?

    Good luck in your plans, and life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elasia View Post
    The key difference is that mine is a mass manufacturing macro with only 2 key decision points which allows me to be fairly heavy handed in the markets and not have to really even think which is pretty much the old 2 star system but now you got a little economy theory put in.
    You pretty much summed up what i'm looking for in a rotation! I for one, cant wait until you reach your goal! lol Is your goal to purchase a large house or something more gratifying? What server are you on btw?

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    Lady Pearz
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    Always interesting to see other peoples rotation. Once I make enough money off exodus I might post my rotation. So far haven't seen anyone post a better rotation then mine. Might take a bit longer since I blew too much money buying out my master craft. Tough life balancing server firsts and making money...
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    Pit Lord
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    Goblin
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70

    Abbreviations Please

    Sorry to be pain, but could u possibly put the names for the abbreviations please

    Thanks
    trying to do spicy tomato relish, not having any luck getting HQ
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