If no one access a FC house in 35 Days you lose everything! Coming Patch 2.3 ><

[Miburo]

But no one else in your FC could devote 3-4 minutes over 35 days to log in?

All you're doing is posting a workaround to a crappy system. That's not a good argument to support the crappy system, nor does it demonstrate that it's somehow better than the other options people have presented in this thread. What exactly is the purpose of having one person keep a subscription fee active to log in for a minute per month? Let's say everyone follows your suggestion and just does that instead. Does that make the game better somehow? What does that accomplish for the game, or the other players?

It does nothing except be an inconvenience for some people. That's it. Why defend that? Why not just support having the time extended to something like 90 days so it inconveniences less of your fellow players? Or the idea of the FC being given a voucher for a new land plot and building permit so any group of friends taking a temporary break aren't losing their entire investment? Those are both valid ideas that would make people happier while accomplishing the same thing.

I agree 35 days might be too short. However, someone will be just as mad as you are if it were 120 days. You cant please everyone. Sometimes you just have to deal with what you have in front of you, and if SE wants it to be 35 days they will do it regardless of how much you get mad at any of us on the forums....your not going to change things by getting upset with us.

Replace "35 days" with 8 hours. Your argument would still be saying the exact same thing: SE picked a time so deal. No. That's a crappy stance. Stop it already. The forums exist so we can provide feedback. You agree that the time they said might be too short too. So why not support the people who want a positive change to the game? It makes the game you clearly like a bunch better. It's better for the people you play with.

The dude posting bolded points for emphasis. Doesn't mean he's mad. He's not calling all the people supporting SE's stupid stance morons or dbags. Not that he'd be wrong if he was... So if that's your problem then get over it. He has a valid reason to be upset about the situation, and he's not insulting anyone.

[Arkista]

Great^^.

Some people are for the argument that "Well just login once a month for 3 mins" and then the same people are talking about how its a good idea to take away the house so the Ward isn't empty? Are you kidding me lol? One member log into the game once a month for 3 mins so they don't lose the house I'm sorry but if 10 FC in a ward did this isn't it still going to feel empty?

Also another question to the People saying that wards will feel empty do to a inactive FC. Did I miss something in my ward or are There giant house parties I'm not invited to? I've been in my ward almost daily since I finished my Atma and I see a random person here and there. What are FCs suppose to do in the ward? Should I be hosting a dinner party? Each person that comes in I give them a drink and piece of food? Should I be hosting pool parties? Should I be having sleep overs? Someone please tell me what is suppose to happen in the Ward? People bought houses to show them off sure. But outside of FC member, What purpose other than showing of Furnishing does the Ward have? Yes market board, Summoning bell, Nice views.

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Ok sorry to be angry. And I'm also sorry I thought that SE said that Personal Housing would Be 6 months after Launch. An I know you can't please everyone but 35 days is just to short. I don't think it would hurt SE to push it to 60 days or even 90 Days. I even said that if it must be 35 days then SE should at least Convert the loss to a Land Deed and a Building Permit for the same size land sent to the FC leaders moogle mail or to the FC chest. The latter would just require a bit of work on SEs end but at least its not a total loss. As I said I doubt someone with a Medium or Large house would jeopardise losing theirs.

[Tandy]

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At this point, you need to change how your posting if you want SE to notice. You have a valid point with it being too short at 35 days, but its totally and COMPLETELY lost by how your twisting it into a personal attack against you. If you want your opinion to matter to anyone in power, give it in a calm way and use valid logical points. If your only bashing everything others say no one will pay attention to the valid points.

[Bluevann]

Did I miss something in my ward or are There giant house parties I'm not invited to? I've been in my ward almost daily since I finished my Atma and I see a random person here and there. What are FCs suppose to do in the ward? Should I be hosting a dinner party? Each person that comes in I give them a drink and piece of food? Should I be hosting pool parties? Should I be having sleep overs? Someone please tell me what is suppose to happen in the Ward?

Aside the fact that there will be future features to be implemented to FC housing such as [confirmed]building airships to then use to travel, those things you listed all do happen on my server. If you have nothing to do with your FC house, free the plot and let it be claimed from someone who would actually enjoy it and make a use of it.

[Bluevann]

Those are both valid ideas that would make people happier while accomplishing the same thing.

The happier people you are referring to are a minority of the community. Most of players don't have a house, or have it where they didn't originally want it. Offline people shouldn't take things away from online people, and unless they change FC housing to instances without limits of space for everyone (sort of like the Demon Door houses in Fable II, and I doubt they will), the FC wards will always be a limited privilege to only a certain amount of the community. As such, they should go to people who actually want and can make a use of it. Ask for a partial refund of the deed or the money if you want, but asking for time extension is just plain greedy. And it would make "happier" only that small percentage of players who can benefit from it vs the larger majority of players who wouldn't. Most of people who get an FC house, want to use it and have the time to use it. So this feature is not going to affect them at all.

[Miburo]

The happier people you are referring to are a minority of the community. Most of players don't have a house, or have it where they didn't originally want it. Offline people shouldn't take things away from online people, and unless they change FC housing to instances without limits of space for everyone (sort of like the Demon Door houses in Fable II, and I doubt they will), the FC wards will always be a limited privilege to only a certain amount of the community. As such, they should go to people who actually want and can make a use of it. Ask for a partial refund of the deed or the money if you want, but asking for time extension is just plain greedy. And it would make "happier" only that small percentage of players who can benefit from it vs the larger majority of players who wouldn't. Most of people who get an FC house, want to use it and have the time to use it. So this feature is not going to affect them at all.

Okay, they're the minority. So...
-It won't affect a lot of FC housing
-Meaning it won't do much good at opening up all these needed spaces for other players.

Making it pretty useless. It's like having a specific law forbidding people from ripping their own ears off. Most people don't do it anyway. So it'd be a stupid rule. By your logic, if it's such a small minority then what SE wants to do won't accomplish much. Making it a stupid thing to even implement at all in the first place. Or are you saying you don't care because you couldn't care less about minorities? Don't see why a person would point out that it wouldn't be the majority of people that would be getting bent over. Like that matters at all. It also contradicts the second part of your argument.

The rest of your argument assumes that housing is limited. It's not. There isn't only so much square yalms in all of Eorzea. The Lavender Beds is actually a multiverse of wards that doesn't have to stop at 5. They can put more wards in. So...you're wrong. The majority isn't going to benefit from having some small FCs lose their homes.


And again, people can take a break with their bros with the intention of returning to the game. So these people also actually want and can make use of their FC home too. And from a functional perspective, someone logging in for less than a minute once a month to reset the timer is using the home just as much as if no one logged on for that month at all. As far as other players are concerned it makes no difference either way, it accomplishes the same thing. Nothing will change in the game if the time was just set to 90 days to coincide with major content patches. NOTHING. Except it'd inconvenience less people and would make more sense, of course.

Small houses are very cheap, at 2~4 million gil. I can make that in 1-2 weeks on my own. Imagine with 7+ other people helping me.

Alright, I'll make an alt on your server and you can give me 2.4mil if it's no big deal at all. You'll be buying a HQ Point Proven. Sound good? Didn't think so.

[givemeraptors]

Imagine a group of 8 IRL friends that wanted to try FFXIV, they got to raiding and experienced the content that they wanted to see. Those 8 people then realise that there won't be any new content for a good 2-3 months, so they find a new game with the intent of going back to FFXIV when new content is up. Do you think it's wise to pay a month or two subscription to just go check a house so it won't disappear?

Ridiculous. You basically want server space set aside for you at no cost while you go play with the competition. Good luck getting that to happen. Meanwhile, all the playing players interested in housing get to look at an unused plot of land for 2-3 months. Forget unreasonable, that's patently absurd.

Besides, if you wanted to be that much of a cheapskate, a hardcore raiding FC of 8 could contribute 2 bucks a month to keep the FC leader's account active to log in and prevent housing loss. If you're unwilling to put in even that much effort I don't know what to tell you.

All you're doing is posting a workaround to a crappy system.

Yes. YOU need to work around the system when YOU are causing the inconvenience. Besides which, I don't know what kind of game with a playerbase in the hundreds of thousands caters to the whims of a handful of people, especially if those people are asking for things that are only relevant when they're not playing or paying for the game.

Yes. Your demands will certainly be met /sarcasm.

[Miburo]

^Like I said, you'd be doing it to prove your point. If it's not something you can just part ways with then it's obviously something other people don't want to have taken from them either, after all.

Yes. YOU need to work around the system when YOU are causing the inconvenience. Besides which, I don't know what kind of game with a playerbase in the hundreds of thousands caters to the whims of a handful of people, especially if those people are asking for things that are only relevant when they're not playing or paying for the game.

Yes. Your demands will certainly be met /sarcasm.

Oh, causing an inconvenience, you say? How so? Seriously. Keep in mind your suggestion when formulating your response. Since there is no functional difference for the playerbase if someone does as you suggest and logs in for a minute each month to enter their house or just not logging in at all. Meaning whatever inconvenience the FC is causing the playerbase will still be caused either way. And housing isn't limited since more wards can and will be added. If you're talking about bandwidth costs for SE, or whatever, then post where you're getting the information on SE's payment plans and such. Wouldn't want to look like you're just making things up, right?

There have been multiple suggestions in this thread that take everyone into account. There is no need to inconvenience the majority or the minority. That is also an option, you know. It doesn't have to be either-or. A plot and permit voucher and/or a 90 day time frame would not harm anyone, while benefiting the people that would currently be getting boned. Only a dbag wouldn't support something where everyone can benefit.

[chocomaid]

Ridiculous. You basically want server space set aside for you at no cost while you go play with the competition.

If you read, assuming you can, people are repeatedly telling you that smaller FC's don't need to keep the plot (server space as you say is reserved this way). Give them a voucher if and when they come back. No gil lost, bigger FCs don't lose. Smaller FCs don't lose. FCs about to buy plots don't lose.

Also by your logic, SE might as well delete my account and characters if I take a break cause I'm taking up server space I'm not using?

[givemeraptors]

...there is no functional difference for the playerbase if someone does as you suggest and logs in for a minute each month to enter their house.

SE isn't concerned with catering to people that unsubscribe for months at a time. Of course they want to encourage actual playtime, but if they can't, a few of your dollars are enough. If you don't want to pay, don't expect to be served.

So you think it is ridiculous that an inactive FC house shouldn't be kept, But it will be ok for an inactive FC who will only login once a month, so they don't lose their house?

How is it at all surprising that SE is concerned with keeping people subscribed? I didn't make the rules, but if you want to break them, SE put in a blatant loophole that benefits them at very little cost to you. I reiterate: I don't understand how you expect to get service without paying.

Also by your logic, SE might as well delete my account and characters if I take a break cause I'm taking up server space I'm not using?

Yes, because your character information takes up the same amount of server space as a furnished house.