If no one access a FC house in 35 Days you lose everything! Coming Patch 2.3 ><

[Zik_Cloveus]

Well its good to see that some of the Japanese players aren't happy about this either. this is the thread that got the original Dev response. The more I think about this the more it pisses me off. I guess I will have to pay FFXIV sub along with ESO sub when it comes out for PS4. Or I'll just have to find some people to invite into my FC just to use them so I don't lose my house.

Don't forget they added a feature in 2.2 that transfers leadership if you haven't logged in a month. This wouldn't work.

This entire situation is frustrating, 35 days is a very short amount of time, and it doesn't consider that people NEED breaks. Most raiding guilds take breaks in between patches till new content comes out. It's no secret that no game can keep content coming faster than people clear it, and this is going against it to a point of forcing people to keep subscribed to keep the house.

[Ravno]

After some days (more than 35 anyway), the house should be moved in a "AFK zone". And when the guild is active again, it should be able to rellocate it to an empty space.

[Nabiri]

I have to agree that 35 days is far too short.
I have a small FC and would like to buy a house someday.. but once a year I'm out of the country for about a month, and not able to log in. I'll be in Australia visiting my fiance's grave site, and family. :\ Buying a house now sounds a bit risky to me. If it was 2 months, no problem.

Or perhaps I'll be forced to pack my PS3 with me when I travel (and hope it doesn't break), just to make sure someone logs in and visits the FC house. >.>

I totally understand why you did this, but 2 months at least, please SE! (And I sure hope those who have their houses taken are given their gil back..)

[Arkista]

. Myself and two friends nearly bankrupted ourselves to earn our small housing and spent even more to get materials to make furniture to decorate said house with.

I feel your pain there. I paid close to 2.5mil for my house. I think my wife helped with 300k (she doesn't play much). The rest took me months to save up. To some 2.5mil might be earned in a day or a week, But I was saving since 2.1. It really sucks to think that if for some reason my FC house is untouched for 35 days it goes down the drain with no compensation.

Like you said all it is, Is SE cutting corners. And yet people are still ok with this. People still think that this is going to be a fix, When in fact its not going to fix/help anyone. I really want someone to tell me that they would wait 35days or more for a FC to lose their house just so they could buy up a plot. Honestly who will wait for that to happen? Wouldn't you rather SE just add more wards? What happens when all 450 plots are taken up on your server? You just wait? The ones who are ok with 35 days, you really think that there are going to be mass foreclosures? Sorry but no. In the first 35 days it might be a few because a FC that has been on break doesn't know, So SE might get lucky. But after active FCs find out even small ones, People will try their best to not lose them. I know that I will. So at first it might effect a few, But after that it wont be very many FCs.


I really feel like if SE is doing this with FC housing that they will do it with Personal Housing as well. If their servers can't handle more than 450 FC houses (Cause they haven't opened new wards) what makes them or anyone think they can handle thousands of personal houses? What is going to stop SE from doing this to personal housing? People need to see the bigger picture, If this does effect personal housing its one of those You're forced to sub or You lose your stuff. Its not going to effect many FC houses but if this is applied to personal housing you can bet there are going to be a lot more effected.

[Tandy]

-snip-. Its not going to effect many FC houses but if this is applied to personal housing you can bet there are going to be a lot more effected.

I really wish everyone would stop acting like this is going to apply to personal housing. I feel like you and many of the others are people who bought FC houses and are treating them like personal houses. We were CLEARLY told personal housing would come in 6 months or so after FC housing. The housing in game now is supposed to be for a group of people, and as such, if no one in that group logs in for a set amount of time it SHOULD vanish. If you saved and spent millions buying a house now that you feel is "YOURS" you bought the wrong type of housing, and thats only your fault.

Its not about adding new wards, not about server capacity etc its about having an issues a year, 2 years or 5 years down the road where people have quit the game and the housing is sitting there taking up space in a ward were maybe 2 or 3 active companies are.

Its to keep the wards more "alive" and active, nothing more.

[Karnyboy]

I said it before and will say it again, people are being over dramatic with this.

[givemeraptors]

But what happens if someone has a FC and its just them left their mates took a break, He says I'll unsub for 30days and just resub before the 35th day so I don't lose my house. Well 25 days into the 35days the guy loses his Job and has to make a choice pay real bills like an adult or pay for a video game. 35 days in an adults world isn't very long. I moved from Florida to Washington and went 3 months without internet that could handle FFXI Because stupid Century Link has crap internet service, so I had to wait 3 months to find a new place to get Wave Broadband.

That sucks, and I understand not wanting to pay for a subscription that won't be used. But no one else in your FC could devote 3-4 minutes over 35 days to log in?

There's actually a number of ways to look at it being a short period of time...

Again, the problem is that you're giving all these examples that are incredibly far-fetched because they must:
1) Remove you from all internet access for 35 consecutive days
2) Affect literally every single person in your FC.
3) Affect the ability of another to log in for you or any other individual in your FC e.g. you and everyone else cancelled your subscription for financial reasons, so there is no active account for someone else to log in for you.

I see lots of people posting about how they might take a vacation, move, have a baby or otherwise be unable to log in for 35 days. That is all super legit. What makes it absurd is that it must happen to every. single. person. Even in a small 3 person FC (sorry, 2 people are not an FC by SE definition), none of the other two could log in? A friend couldn't log in for one of you? If postponing a sub for financial reasons the three of you couldn't contribute 4 bucks each to keep one account active for a month?

Seeing so many people bending over backwards to justify why they and every other person in their FC is gone for 35 days is only reinforcing my opinion that it's not an unreasonable limit at all.

[chocomaid]

I really wish everyone would stop acting like this is going to apply to personal housing. I feel like you and many of the others are people who bought FC houses and are treating them like personal houses. We were CLEARLY told personal housing would come in 6 months or so after FC housing. The housing in game now is supposed to be for a group of people, and as such, if no one in that group logs in for a set amount of time it SHOULD vanish. If you saved and spent millions buying a house now that you feel is "YOURS" you bought the wrong type of housing, and thats only your fault.

Its not about adding new wards, not about server capacity etc its about having an issues a year, 2 years or 5 years down the road where people have quit the game and the housing is sitting there taking up space in a ward were maybe 2 or 3 active companies are.

Its to keep the wards more "alive" and active, nothing more.

Again, people have repeatedly put forth suggestions that work for both sides. But you clearly ignored those didn't you? People have suggested that a consolation deed can be introduced so the absentee FC won't lose any gil/furnishings that they worked hard for, just the location. Those places would still be kept "alive" using that method, old houses would be forfeit, new FCs can buy. And people are not saying it will definitely happen to personal housing, it's a precedent to it. If they can do it to FC housing, then they can do it to personal housing. Your logic of housing being "alive" should work on personal housing too right? You wouldn't want to live in a ward of personal houses that is not active.

That sucks, and I understand not wanting to pay for a subscription that won't be used. But no one else in your FC could devote 3-4 minutes over 35 days to log in?

Imagine a group of 8 IRL friends that wanted to try FFXIV, they got to raiding and experienced the content that they wanted to see. Those 8 people then realise that there won't be any new content for a good 2-3 months, so they find a new game with the intent of going back to FFXIV when new content is up. Do you think it's wise to pay a month or two subscription to just go check a house so it won't disappear?

[MelanyKoura]

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Yes, it is about adding new wards. You're blind if you can't see that Squeenix is STILL trying to penny pinch their way through this game; they've been trying to do it since day one. Not only that, but they're willing to take away from players who earned something through time and effort. I'm sorry, but why are people supporting this idea? As others have said, if they do this with FC housing then they can do it with whatever they want because the player base let them. People who are okay with this happening are probably (note I said probably and not are) in FCs that number above four core members and may be madly in love with this game to they point they would never leave it. I don't know about most players, but I know that my friends and I are prone to take breaks from games. The notion that we could take a break and come back to what we earned being gone in a puff of smoke is unacceptable.

[Arkista]

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Ok let me make this clear I'm not against them wanting to take away a Free company house due to inactivity. Is that clear? I don't know how much clearer I can be on that. What I have an issue with is the short amount of time. is that CLEAR? I understand the reasoning behind SE saying that they will remove a FC house if it goes unused for a certain amount of time. But There are many reason why the 35 day time limit is to short for some Small FCs. I should have to keep coming up with some as well as others. I have given Three options, Two of which wouldn't even hurt SE in anyway . The Third requires SE to add more WARDS. Which I will get to later in this post.

What I do with my Free Company house is my business. I bought it I made the Free Company. Again if SE didn't want small FCs to buy a house then they shouldn't have made the minimum requirement to start one 3 player. No one has any right to tell anyone who can and who cannot buy a House. If I or anyone wants to treat our houses like Personal Housing we can, We bought them.

It's been 6 months where are the Personal Houses?

As for this whole topic as I said over and over it isn't going to effect larger Free Companies and it may only effect the Smaller Free Companies. So tell me what is SE going to do when every single plot on a server is occupied? What will Free Companies who don't own a house but have the funds do? Are they just going to wait and hope that there will be some inactive FC that will lose their house? NO! SE will have to add moreWARDS! If you or anyone thinks that this system SE is going to implement is going to be the problem solver Then you're wrong. I keep saying it SE will get lucky in the first 35 days and manage to get some houses because people wont know. But this isn't going to effect a lot of FCs. But it will effect enough that I feel it should be changed.

As for personal housing, I have no proof that SE will add it to Personal Housing. But why wouldn't they? There are going to be Thousands of single player Housing. [B]What happens when Thousands of players take breaks or quit a year, 2 year, or 5 years down the road? Its ok to have Personal Wards be Empty, Dead, and just a few players running around? You see its a two way street. If SE purpose is to make sure FC Wards aren't empty and dead, Then why would they allow Personal Wards to become Empty and dead?

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Again over and over have I said it "This is only going to effect a small minority of Small Free Companies".

Imagine a group of 8 IRL friends that wanted to try FFXIV, they got to raiding and experienced the content that they wanted to see. Those 8 people then realise that there won't be any new content for a good 2-3 months, so they find a new game with the intent of going back to FFXIV when new content is up. Do you think it's wise to pay a month or two subscription to just go check a house so it won't disappear?

This is one of the best example of what I'm talking about. There are many Small Free Companies made up of Friends/Family or w/e. People Get burnt out on content, People get tired of lockouts, Or Real life happens. People take breaks. I have said over and over that increasing from 35 to 90 days would be more than enough time. We get major patches every three months, And people come back. Not everyone who plays this game is into the hardcore raiding aspect of the game.