If no one access a FC house in 35 Days you lose everything! Coming Patch 2.3 ><

[FJerome]

OP and those in agreement, I have no idea what life event would incapacitate not just your ability, but every other person in your FC (wife, aunt, brother, husband, friend etc.) to log on for 3-4 minutes over the course of 35 days, but if by some chance that happened I think losing a virtual house in a videogame would be the least of your worries.

Here are some actual examples of not-especially-dramatic times various members of my FC have not been able to log-in for 35-day periods.

1) A & B went on a 40 day road-trip overseas, left PS3 at home (wouldn't have worked anyway, that whole voltage and PAL vs NTSC thing).
2) C had a study-abroad term, also left PS3 at home.
3) D bought a new flat, ISP service continually bungled reconnection because it was a new-build block and they couldn't figure out the wiring. It wasn't a major problem because they had mobile wireless but you can't install the launcher to an iPhone.
4) E's city got hit by the mother of all blizzards, ice damaged their outside wiring and their ISP was overwhelmed by other incidents and took forever to get around to fixing theirs. A friendly neighbour let them piggy-back off their wireless signal but there wasn't enough bandwidth between them to run the game without being a jerk about it.

Granted, this didn't happen all at once but there's no reason it couldn't have. Life happens.

This is a game.

Asking a group of people to make a serious long-term and constant commitment to the game to keep their group's progression isn't fun and it's a good way to make sure that when they drop their subscriptions they won't be coming back with the next patch.

[Naunet]

and it's a good way to make sure that when they drop their subscriptions they won't be coming back with the next patch.

This right here is the kicker. The biggest impact this rule will have is in preventing people from re-subbing - the exact opposite of what SE wants.

[Craiger]

Here are some actual examples of not-especially-dramatic times various members of my FC have not been able to log-in for 35-day periods.

1) A & B went on a 40 day road-trip overseas, left PS3 at home (wouldn't have worked anyway, that whole voltage and PAL vs NTSC thing).
2) C had a study-abroad term, also left PS3 at home.
3) D bought a new flat, ISP service continually bungled reconnection because it was a new-build block and they couldn't figure out the wiring. It wasn't a major problem because they had mobile wireless but you can't install the launcher to an iPhone.
4) E's city got hit by the mother of all blizzards, ice damaged their outside wiring and their ISP was overwhelmed by other incidents and took forever to get around to fixing theirs. A friendly neighbour let them piggy-back off their wireless signal but there wasn't enough bandwidth between them to run the game without being a jerk about it.

Granted, this didn't happen all at once but there's no reason it couldn't have. Life happens.

This is a game.

Asking a group of people to make a serious long-term and constant commitment to the game to keep their group's progression isn't fun and it's a good way to make sure that when they drop their subscriptions they won't be coming back with the next patch.

Having to come up with a story like this to make it justified for a FC to be absent 35 days, is proof enough that this isn't a problem.... Also, 4 people in the whole FC ? and they have a FC house ?

They could maybe increase the days to 40-50 to be on the safe side, but still... If your whole FC can't log in even once during 35 days, then the FC is dead....

Even if your whole FC for some reason isn't home for 35 days (why??), at least one could log in, either with a laptop, or from an internet café or something....

Point is, that FC's can easily find solutions to this problem, and if they can't bother with those solutions, then they might as well give up the plot to someone who will use it better.

[Naunet]

If your whole FC can't log in even once during 35 days, then the FC is dead

No. An FC is "dead" if no one logs in ever again.

[Skyhound]

Also, 4 people in the whole FC ? and they have a FC house?

This quote alone completely discredits you and shows how much of a tool you really are. My FC only has four people and we own a house in the first ward of Mist. It didn't even take all of us saving up to buy it. U mad bro?

No matter what, this idea is stupid for smaller FC's with the small houses. The price for the small house is perfect for a four man FC to be able to purchase, but it's four man FC's that are more likely to end up not logging on for that time. Is it unlikely that ALL four people won't be able to log in at once for 30 days? Yes, it's very unlikely. However, SE as a company has to account for the incredibly unlikely. That's what running a business is about.

Also, the "People who can actually log on for 30 days at a time, deserve it more" argument is plain idiotic. There isn't even anything you can do with your house as of right now, so it makes no difference who gets it. SE just doesn't want to set up more instance servers, it's plain laziness.

[Craiger]

This quote alone completely discredits you and shows how much of a tool you really are. My FC only has four people and we own a house in the first ward of Mist. It didn't even take all of us saving up to buy it. U mad bro?

No matter what, this idea is stupid for smaller FC's with the small houses. The price for the small house is perfect for a four man FC to be able to purchase, but it's four man FC's that are more likely to end up not logging on for that time. Is it unlikely that ALL four people won't be able to log in at once for 30 days? Yes, it's very unlikely. However, SE as a company has to account for the incredibly unlikely. That's what running a business is about.

Also, the "People who can actually log on for 30 days at a time, deserve it more" argument is plain idiotic. There isn't even anything you can do with your house as of right now, so it makes no difference who gets it. SE just doesn't want to set up more instance servers, it's plain laziness.

Calling me a tool for no reason is what I call being a tool.... I said nothing that could offend you or something....

All I meant with only 4 members, was that there are very few FC's around that have that few member and still have FC house, and to make up a story around how those 4 are all unable to log in for over month seems a little far fetched, that is all... No need to go calling people names.

The only reason for a FC (whatever size) to not be able to log in for 35 days, is if everyone takes a break at the same time... I mainly answered based on what people said about being unable to log in because of trips or whatever, but taking a break is another thing.

I think they can increase the time for that reason, but they have to have some type of restriction going forward into the game. If you take a break longer than 2 months, then you don't play anymore in other words....

[Arkista]

Taking away Plots of lands From Free Companies after 35 days of inactivity isn't going to help anyone. There are plenty of plots left on my server at least. I assume the reason why is that people want specific plot or specific wards. Adding more Wards is the only thing that is going to help. All this "if you don't use it you don't need it" thing is crap. If anyone really thinks that a FC is going to lose a Medium or Large house you are crazy! So what are FCs going to do wait months at a time and hope that FC on Plot 2 in Ward 3 never touches their house so they can buy it? People need to come back to reality. SE needs to add more Wards. As I said before this isn't going to effect very many FCs. But it will lead to a bigger issue Personal Housing. Yeah sure there are 250 people in the FC I could take a break and not worry about the house being gone. But what if this is applied to Personal Housing? If they do, no one that owns a house will be able to take break for more than 35 days. If they are doing this to FC housing, You can bet they will do it to personal housing. There are going to be thousands of Personal Houses compared to what 450 FC houses per server. If they have issues with 450 plots not being enough can you imagine how 4,500 plots are going to be? I don't know how many players there are on each server I remember them saying something like 6-7k lot of damn houses.

. Also, 4 people in the whole FC ? and they have a FC house?.

And your point? A Free Company only Requires Three People to start one. Never heard of players taking a break? Just because you take a break from the game for a month or two doesn't mean you quit. People take breaks often in the MMO world. MMOs don't make the world go round. I had a few friends that took a break after 2.1 and they just came back for 2.2. And it doesn't matter how many players are in a FC 1,5, or 500 a Free company is a free company. Not everyone needs dozens of players that they are probably never going to do anything with in their FCs.

A lot of you are ok with this because you are either in a big FC which is fine, Or you just don't think anything could happen to you. I don't think anyone here is trying to say that they should never remove a house. Many of us feel that the 35 day time period is to short. It should be longer or have an alternative.

Lots of you are thinking this is about players buying a FC house, paying there sub, and never touching their house. What people do with their Gil is up to them. But this is about small Free Companies losing something they put time in effort into. People get bored/burnt out/ Play other games/Cant pay bills or w/e (jail). Once this is implemented I can never take a break from the game for more than 35 days, Unless I hire someone to make an ALT to jump in my house once in a while. Or I just have to invite people I don't know or people I don't need to keep it.

All I meant with only 4 members, was that there are very few FC's around that have that few member and still have FC house, and to make up a story around how those 4 are all unable to log in for over month seems a little far fetched, that is all... No need to go calling people names.

The only reason for a FC (whatever size) to not be able to log in for 35 days, is if everyone takes a break at the same time... I mainly answered based on what people said about being unable to log in because of trips or whatever, but taking a break is another thing.

I think they can increase the time for that reason, but they have to have some type of restriction going forward into the game. If you take a break longer than 2 months, then you don't play anymore in other words....

I think you got it? There are a lot of FCs made up of small groups of friends. Mine started with 7 IRL friends/Family and 5 of them stopped playing. If I didn't have a static at the time I probably would have stopped playing until 2.2 as well. People take breaks with the intention of coming back all the time, I did it many times in the 9 years I played FFXI, The longest of which was over a year and it wasn't by choice.

And as I have said many times this is only going to effect a very very small minority of FCs. If they think removing an inactive FCs house is going to help then fine, But it needs to be handled better than 35 days of inactivity and you lose Everything.

[mbncd]

[Snip]Once this is implemented I can never take a break from the game for more than 35 days, Unless I hire someone to make an ALT to jump in my house once in a while. Or I just have to invite people I don't know or people I don't need to keep it.[Snip]

In addition to this, remember the whole "FC leader has to log in every month or so or they're demoted to basic member and someone who has been online in the last week gets promoted to leader, based on rank and seniority". Even if you bring in someone else just to step into the place once a month, chances are they'll be the new leader when you come back... Then who knows? They may very well boot you out of your own company and/or sell your house out from under you

[Starlord]

If they think removing an inactive FCs house is going to help then fine, But it needs to be handled better than 35 days of inactivity and you lose Everything.

May I ask how you would handle it? Curious.

[mbncd]

May I ask how you would handle it? Curious.

Arkista has mentioned 3 main suggestions that have come forward repeatedly throughout the thread:
Adding more instances instead,
Extending the period to 60-90 days
Sending some sort of compensation to the FC leader/bank (such as a land deed comparable to what was lost)

I'm not sure the compensation route would really work but the other two I strongly support.