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  1. #31
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    SpookyGhost's Avatar
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    Kori Fleming
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    Marauder Lv 80
    PLD is more reliable, WAR is quicker.

    PLD has access to Hallowed Ground for the first or second pull, which basically lets the healer get off a Holy or two. Alternatively you can use it for it's intended use and press it when you need heals.

    WAR requires more attention from the healer, but has 2 AOE abilities that they'll be spamming to generate threat that actually do damage. PLD only has access to CoS and is otherwise spamming Flash. It's not much, but it adds up. WAR also does more damage on bosses as they have access to a plethora of offensive cooldowns as well as, y'know, Storm's Eye.

    I wouldn't level WAR just for speed running this though, it's not much of a time difference with PLD and it's less stressful on your team.
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  2. #32
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    Zlatan Tarrant
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    Famfrit
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyGhost View Post
    PLD is more reliable, WAR is quicker.

    PLD has access to Hallowed Ground for the first or second pull, which basically lets the healer get off a Holy or two. Alternatively you can use it for it's intended use and press it when you need heals.

    WAR requires more attention from the healer, but has 2 AOE abilities that they'll be spamming to generate threat that actually do damage. PLD only has access to CoS and is otherwise spamming Flash. It's not much, but it adds up. WAR also does more damage on bosses as they have access to a plethora of offensive cooldowns as well as, y'know, Storm's Eye.

    I wouldn't level WAR just for speed running this though, it's not much of a time difference with PLD and it's less stressful on your team.
    thanks. Like you said, speed running with PLD is just flash flash flash COS flash run pull flash.

    I kind of wanted to someone to say that WAR would take like 2 minutes off the time on its own -_-
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  3. #33
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    Alaik Ropaire
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    Conjurer Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan View Post
    thanks. Like you said, speed running with PLD is just flash flash flash COS flash run pull flash.

    I kind of wanted to someone to say that WAR would take like 2 minutes off the time on its own -_-
    It does lower the time some. Berserk + Unchained + Bloodbath allows for 200 Overpowers per target, and around 400-500 healing per overpower. That's with an Ilvl 90 WAR, it does add up. That being said, PLD is still workable, and is definitely safer. A good WHM can easily spam holy while keeping a WAR up also, but if your tank isn't Ilvl 90+ yet, you will start suffering with a WAR more than a PLD, when it comes to Holy frequency.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_Zlatan View Post
    that DRG must have been pretty beastly.
    I was very surprised to say the least.
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  4. #34
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    Sabbah Sunblade
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    Odin
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Bigpurpleharness View Post
    I was very surprised to say the least.
    I guess the Dragoon was contributing to the AOE damage on the big pulls, but then really sped things up when it came to burning down the two bosses? My favoured group of Warrior, double Black Mage and White Mage/Scholar can often get to the 2nd boss in under five minutes, but then the run slows down because of the lack of melee single target DPS.
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    Legend Reborn
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    Marauder Lv 50
    My combo is Unchained+BB+ Berserk +(Steel Clone for a consecutive pull).

    If you got a party that's going to do multiple runs might as well eat food like toast for the extra HP. Last me 3 runs if only doing the first 2 bosses.
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  6. #36
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    Misenklauph Drakkfhur
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    Ultros
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    Marauder Lv 60
    If you are a career tank, then I recommend levelling both. Who knows what's going to happen in future content, one of the jobs could be buffed to OP, and you would regret not having it.

    I prefer my WAR to PLD, I find it more challenging than PLD, but if you can hack it, WAR out performs PLD (at least, it feels that way - I don't run a Parser)

    Also, I can clear Bray 2nd Boss in about 6-7 minutes. I can complete a full bray (HM) in 10-12 minutes using the setup WAR + SCH + (BRD or BLM) + (BRD or BLM)

    I setup PF's, usually for i85+ like that, and they typically do very well.
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    http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/2237443/]
    Quote Originally Posted by Noni View Post
    I wish more tanks were like you also.
    http://xivreborn.com/gen/Misenklauph_Drakkfhur_Ultros_Classes.jpg

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    Hi, i am tanking the brayflox Speed Run, with my PLD, i know when to pop Defense cooldown and all, with some group i am fine, but with others i tend to loose aggro after a time (often blm get the aggro back) , not a very deal but sometimes it cause a wipes or two out from a lot of runs, i don't know if it's because we are not as fast than other group, the question also is : maybe i screw ^^.
    I play very simple, i just spam all the flash i can do, i pop the incivisibility skill for the first great pull to the ramp and then pop other when it finished all the 15 sec.
    after i hit one time , every target. if i loose aggro i can try to get it back.
    in the second pull after the first boss, i pull everything expect raptor i do the same, but here i don't know if by moment i keep agro or not (not sure about it)
    i do the same for the 3rd i try to let the brown coeurl out the pull.
    Maybe it's not the better way to play my pld anyway ?

    sorry for my bad english also^^
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    and for answer to the drg beasting, them is actualy not that bad, the Side dot, AOE combo don't do awesome damage but the dragoon can do it a lot of times before be out of PT
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  9. #39
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    Kori Fleming
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    It sounds like you're doing all you can - if you run out of MP during your Flash spam, make sure to use the Riot Blade combo for the refresh. If a BLM does take aggro and you can't get it back, use Cover and pop a cooldown. People overlook Cover a lot, but it's most useful place is in speedruns.
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  10. #40
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    Rui Ooshima
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    Tonberry
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SpookyGhost View Post
    If a BLM does take aggro
    Not sure if the PLD not tanking properly or the BLM is not timng flares properly lol.
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