Ps4 am good with it!!

[Sacred-Oblivion]

High-end would be something with a GTX 780/780 Ti/Titan.

Ultra high-end would be any of those in SLI.

The PS4 isn't even equivalent to a PC with a GTX 670 or GTX 760, which is considered mid-range. Yes, today's mid-range PC's can run the game on max settings AND get higher than 60 FPS (talking 80-100 FPS in CT).

So I'm actually being fairly generous in calling it a mid-range PC.

High-end PC players are playing this game at 120 FPS and/or 2560x1440 (in some cases 5760x1080); myself included. That's far better than the PS4's 60 FPS at 1920x1080.

PS4 players are in the mid-range crowd, which isn't a bad thing at all, but let's not pretend it's high-end compared to a PC.

Apparently we have different views on what constitutes a mid, high, and ultra high end PC so let me clarify my point: the PS4 version of this game graphically looks equivalent to the PC version on max settings.

Also I should point out that it's a mistake to make console & PC comparisons primarily through their hardware. The PS4 doesn't need to run Windows 8 and the dozens of other processes along with it which allows more of its hardware resources to be utilized for gaming. This is why a console will always outperform a PC with specs equivalent to that console. But don't take my word for it...

http://www.dualshockers.com/2014/02/...o-heat-issues/

Yoshida-san explained that the PS4 version of the game runs faster by far than the PC version played on a computer with specs similar to the console, since the PS4 is much better optimized and doesn’t have the disadvantage of using slightly different architecture and shaders depending on the brand and model of the video card. That’s the advantage consoles have over PCs.

Regardless, you do have a nice gaming PC. No doubt you've invested a great deal of money into it. If the game looks much better on your PC as you claim then I'm interested in seeing some screenshots that can be directly compared to the PS4 screenies I posted in my previous post. If you take the time to snap one in the same place, angle, time in day/night cycle, and weather conditions as any one of those screenshots, then I'll compare them impartially as any reasonable person would. Also don't use 3rd party software tools like SweetFX to modify the frames; that way the differences between the shots can be based from the hardware only. Without evidence showing otherwise I'm afraid I'll have to stick to my original point that my $400 machine delivers a visual experience that is very comparable to your multi-thousand dollar gaming rig.

[Emtron]

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Or we could just save each other the time and pull out the rulers and start measuring since this is all these debates ever come down to, who cares what looks better if it looks good to you that should be the end of it.

[Capita]

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You realize your arguments apply not just to the PS4, but also to mid-range PC's, right?

I don't think you understand the purpose of a high-end rig. It's not just to get max settings. Any mid-range rig can get max settings and 40-60 FPS out of it. That's perfectly fine for most people, but that's not the purpose of building a high-end rig. If that's all we wanted, we wouldn't bother spending thousands more. I take it you've never played a game at 120 FPS, or tried 3D, or tried triple monitor, or tried to record on FRAPS without so much as losing a point of FPS. No? Then you're the average gamer. Your purpose is different from ours.

So you ask, what was the point in comparing them then? Well, you claimed the PS4 was equivalent to a high-end rig. It's not. Until it can run the game at 120 FPS on max settings, play it in 3D at 60 FPS, run it at 2560x1440, or run it on three 1920x1080 screens, it's not equivalent at all.

Besides, I think it's funny you guys completely ignored the part where I said "the PS4 is more than enough for this game." Am I hating on the PS4? No. I'm buying one so I can play at my apartment. I know how crappy the PS3 version is because I play on the PS3 too when I'm not at home (5 days out of the week). Doesn't change the fact that the PS4 isn't equivalent to a high-end rig, because it can't do the things a high-end rig can. It can do the things a mid-range rig can.

[JayCommon]

I take it you've never played a game at 120 FPS, or tried 3D, or tried triple monitor, or tried to record on FRAPS without so much as losing a point of FPS. No? Then you're the average gamer. Your purpose is different from ours.

You call someone an average gamer because they don't play in 3D, or care to stream their gameplay?

Any points you may have made about the PC to PS4 comparison just sound like that guy on the HTC One commercial to me now...

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[Capita]

You call someone an average gamer because they don't play in 3D, or care to stream their gameplay?

Any points you may have made about the PC to PS4 comparison just sound like that guy on the HTC One commercial to me now...

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Is there anything wrong with being the average gamer? Because if you don't care about 3D, streaming, super high res, triple monitor, etc. then you're the average gamer. Pretty sure like 99% of every player you meet online is the average gamer. Are you that insecure that you absolutely have to be lumped into a certain category other than average, despite it not having any significance whatsoever on whether or not you're a good or skilled gamer? You want to be lumped into the small group who have nice shinies?

I grant thee, JayCommon, the title of Above Average Gamer.

Feel better?

[JayCommon]

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There is absolutely nothing wrong with average gamers, the problem is the negative connotation you are associating it with and categorizing the term with their choice of hardware. If an original Game Boy user plays Pokemon for 100 hrs straight to "Catch them All", would that be considered an 'average' gamer to you because the Game Boy Advance is already out? By your terms, you belittled a person's point of view because of their hardware and degraded them to an 'average' gamer. It's just a ridiculous point of view, period. I didn't say anything was wrong with an average gamer, you did indirectly.

I could care less how much you try to condescend me. Your point of view is flawed, regardless of your sarcastic and illogical titles you seem entitled to fling around.

[Capita]

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No, there was nothing negative about my post on average gamers. I understand that most gamers don't give a crap about the stuff enthusiasts care about. If anything, there are more people who wouldn't understand why I and others spend so much money on hardware, and are more likely to belittle me for doing so when they can get hardware that "look as good" for a much lower price. You can already see plenty of it here. But that's the difference between the average gamer and the enthusiast. Like anything that involves hobbyists and casual users, there is a big divide in mentality between those who think "good enough" and those who want all the latest stuff (just look at headphones and the audiophiles whom 99.9% of headphone users don't understand). So unless you're one of the very few who do it for an actual hobby, you're the average user. You're simply looking for any negative connotation behind that term.

Fact of the matter is, there is a distinct difference in mid-range and high-end. Regardless of price-performance ratio, bang-for-buck, whatever, this is a fact. So you can get a piece of hardware that can play the game at max settings for $400. That's wonderful! I am absolutely thrilled that people get to experience the game the way PC gamers do, because I also play on PS3 a lot and it sucks so bad that I can't wait to buy a PS4 for myself. But it's not high-end.

[Emtron]

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Wanting all the Latest stuff first world problems wanting all the latest stuff makes you more then a enthusiast in fact that's a whole other problem all together.

[Gnova]

I'm amazed someone in this thread is equating the ability to make or own a better PC with being a better than average gamer.

The two are completely separate skill sets.

A fantastic performance car mechanic and owner is a great mechanic. They are not automatically considered to be even a average race car driver.

Play your FPS arms race meta game. Just dont fool yourself into thinking it makes you a gamer of any note until you prove yourself able to use the equipment well.