2.2 has sucked all the fun out of the game...

[MrEzekial]

just a question, recall me the time between each action in FF11?

Dude.. people don't remember what playing FFXI was actually like.

[Doo]

Enjoy your special snowflake i110 raiding gear while it lasts.

I just got my mirror upgrade from Levi. I feel pretty snow flaky right now.

[Heat]

I totally agree with the things said here, and most of my FC/Friends also quit, static also gone so i canceled my sub, no one to play with anymore.

[Gumiho]

I have been playing since beta 3 or 4, and 2.2 crushed my game goals

Titan X can't be done even with over 9000% echo if I live in Colombia, and servers are in Canada, so close and servers were not in Mars
Pass it, of course pay 500.000gil

How the hell am I getting 500k gil or move to Canada?
Try Wtfast? yeah of course, even proxy wont help me dodging plumes...

[Gumiho]

Get a fucking static? I've been since December without static... puging t4, puging t5, well, I lost my hopes on clearing t5

I threw my towel, 10%... no... 5% cleared twintania and they can access new content, what about the other 95%
Pass it? of course pay 1.5 fucking million gil...

What I pay the sub for then... where my hard efforts go?

I can make 20k gil daily and that's too much...

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A five million echo percent wont make people dodge divebombs or understand conflags because the 5% of "diamond class elite raider ppl" will NEVER teach or help a friend, they will help you for 1.5 or 2 million gil.

Those 5% are happy because they get the hyper mega elite content they wanted to, because they are Asians or robots or idk

[Gumiho]

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I'm a LoL player, for those who play lol it can feel like:

Launch a new map and champion and leave it unlockable only for diamond 1 and challengers, want to experiment new content? pay elo jobs(same as paying a titan or t5 carry), I'm not a fucking corean and live in montreal with an $5000 alienware pc and a professional e-sport team to go through titan ex, t5, t6, 7 8 and 9.

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Ohh and don't forget the master crafting, the new called 3 star, difficulty is SO HIGH, its TWO times the 2 star one, it's a i140 difficulty to craft a i90 and i54 clothes

[Ooshima]

If your FATE doesn't pop then you can queue for the dungeon part or go hunt the mobs or do the leves or farm more myth for the next book unless the last thing you need is a FATE that takes 3 hours to pop. It's designed to be a time consuming quest at its finest and that's fine, the real bad decision was gating it behind an entirely RNG based grind that might have sounded good in the planning stages but ended up screwing a big chunk of the playerbase.

What I felt that SE could at least do is make separate FATEs for the books and make it a fixed time event. like 0000hrs, 0300hrs, 0600hrs, 0900hrs so on and so forth that the FATE would pop.

AT LEAST we know when it would pop and we can actually do something else. Heck, even if SE wants to make it every 6 or 8hrs by all means but at least it is fixed, I know the time it will appear and I can enjoy or "enjoy" the other contents of 2.2. I could farm a second set of Atma or whatever as long as I don't need to stand on the same spot like an idiot waiting for that damn FATE.

[Mook_Mook]

Theres a lot to 2.2, its a more of a grindy long term patch which is a good thing it'll keep the servers more active than just one day week, THe core raiders may just cap and do raids but it gave a lot of others things to do to the other jobs, and ad lot of extra things to do. Challenge log is a fun side thing, encourages me to do things i can do but normally wouldnt, new fights so far cool. Crafting and gathering got some long term goals and stuff its not great stuff but its a start. Look at the hwole picture and not just a few things, 2.2 is a good step for the game in the long term be more than a sign on once a day game.

[Lafiele]

Hi all

I just wanted to share my big disappointment of the new patch and how much of a negative impacts it has had on people in my FC.

We're a medium size FC, have been playing since day one and have gone through most of the content at our pace (Coil, XM primals, Medium FC House, gathering/craftings, leveling alts).
At the end of 2.1, we were at a very comfortable balance between endgame progression, caping our tomes, leveling other classes, helping FC members and bonding with other FC.
We really enjoyed the game and we were looking forward to the new patch.

But 2.2 came out with it's major focus on grinding and nothing has been the same since them...


- Zodiac weapon quest:
This is the main thing that turned off people... The grind is just way too overwhelming.
Obviously people want to go for that new relic but the RNG element is just unrewarding. We haven't spent a lot of time of it but the hours we did spend gave us very little progression at all and were very frustrating because it's just not fun to grind fates that provide no challenge and no sense of accomplishment.
The book part of the quest is all frustrating because of the Myth grind (1300 myth * 9 books Oo) and again the mob/leves/dungeon/fate grinding element.
People are just not willing to go througn such boring work and we've had multiple members quitting the game because they just feel 2.2 sucked all the fun from the game.
The rest (me included) just don't do them at all in the hope that it'll get seriously nerfed soon...
So what does it leave us to upgrade our weapon? Levi XM and Second Coil. Problem is, we're now too few at that endgame level to run as an FC and we rely on PF which again builds frustration because of "experience people only", "must have killed it", and just the randomness of the party members in the PF group.


- Master crafting recipes: after getting few crafts to make 3 stars, it felt very unrewarding as well. Only LTW, WVR and ARM got new end product and all other crafts received only housing recipes and intermediate crafting mats. Also, given the time effort and money required to reach the stat cap, it all feels like a wasted effort.
There will never be a market for 3 star housing because they're ridiculously hard to make for no benfit at all. The crafting bench would be cool to make but if lvl 50 crafter could benefit from it since the 3 stars take a lot of CP. But, no only lvl40 and under can benefit from it even though nothing requires it even remotely. Heck, I leveled all my crafts with just HQ gear (no melds) and cheap food I could buy from vendors...
ilvl 90 gear can be a decent upgrade but they'll always be unreasonably expensive and people who can afford them, can craft them... The rest is just glamours/minions that again take too much effort for what it's worth.
I think that requirement for 3 stars were good but it proved to be very unrewarding in the end.

- New Gathering node: So I've been putting new the ores on the market but NQ is just worthless and no one will ever buy them since you NEED HQ mats to have a chance to craft 3 stars (which is good though). HQ ones don't sell because only hardcore crafter can use them and most of them are already self sufficient.

- The new dungeons: They are cool, especially Lost city. I'll take time to get the new soldiery gear but the grind for it is the same as we've experienced since 2.1 with myth so no issues here.

- Gardening is cool, probably the feature I enjoy most in 2.2


tldr:
2.2 is not fun, made many of my friends quit, and I'm thinking about quitting too.
Make the grind long through weekly locks or other mechanism that regulates progression but not from RNG and ridiculous requirements that only hardcore players would abide to.
Make it somehow interesting or that serves a purpose in bonding more with the game/universe, and something fair to all players.

While 2.2 hasn't been overwhelming I would say it's far from sucking the fun out of the game. There is a grind but it's not excessive to be honest compared to many other games. Most people can get their stuff within a week or two which is a reasonable time frame.

[MercuryAcetylene]

I remember trying to +9 gear in K-Tera... it was an RNG whore, one wrong move and you could actually break your hard earned brand new weapon/armor before you even got to use it.