Atmas - Unfair for low level players

[Jonny_Tapas]

This problem will resolve itself with a small passage of time...

Right now it's the new hot thing... it'll die off

and who knows 6 months from now we might be buying ATMA with GC Seals (cough phylo cough)

[TurnBased]

I would argue that the proper way to play the game is however you find most enjoyable. For me, doing the FATEs with random people and actually feeling useful was far more fun than just going to one and spreading around ticking spells... IF I get to one in time.

That's the problem though. If people did it with your proper way, then it would be hard to get a gold rating in FATEs which is what the newbies have been complaining about. If they really want to level up with FATEs then they'll learn how to do it well and also good places on where to farm. It's a public quest meaning that everyone has access to it and can do the quest any way they want.

I understand the feeling of joining random people, doing your part and feeling useful, but there are dungeons for that. Do Raids, Primal Runs, join a static and do Coil. FF14 is built on PVE cooperative play and that means lots of instances of working together as a team. There's a ton of stuff to do together with other people, not just FATEs.

And no, I didn't rush to endgame. It took me 2 months to get to 50 and I did so by just doing quests and enjoying the story.

[Eggnook24]

Imagine a beautiful field of golden wheat, and 20 seconds later a swarm of level 50 locusts appear and then there's nothing left but you standing in a barren wasteland...

[TurnBased]

Imagine a beautiful field of golden wheat, and 20 seconds later a swarm of level 50 locusts appear and then there's nothing left but you standing in a barren wasteland...

You could substitute that with a group of level 20 locusts and it'd still be bad.

People seem to forget how bad FATE grinding was in 2.0. FATEs were the best way to level and everyone was doing it. You'd see hundreds of people farming in South Shroud, Coerthas. It got so bad that some bosses wouldn't even show up on people's screens because there were too many people. People were complaining about the same things you are complaining about now. Not being able to get a gold rating, FATEs being over in an instant and then don't get me started on how crazy it would get in Dark Devices

And then came 2.1 with buffed dungeon exp. Suddenly, no one did FATEs. No one. People complained...

And now 2.2 comes in and gives a reason for people to do FATEs. More complaints. The cycle never ends.

[kukurumei]

You could substitute that with a group of level 20 locusts and it'd still be bad.

People seem to forget how bad FATE grinding was in 2.0. FATEs were the best way to level and everyone was doing it. You'd see hundreds of people farming in South Shroud, Coerthas. It got so bad that some bosses wouldn't even show up on people's screens because there were too many people. People were complaining about the same things you are complaining about now. Not being able to get a gold rating, FATEs being over in an instant and then don't get me started on how crazy it would get in Dark Devices

And then came 2.1 with buffed dungeon exp. Suddenly, no one did FATEs. No one. People complained...

And now 2.2 comes in and gives a reason for people to do FATEs. More complaints. The cycle never ends.

To be fair (or evil) the 3 most popular fate spots are intentally excluded. South shoud-costa de sol-Dragon head are all non atma spots.

There is no conflict of interest that this thread tries to complain as a thinly stitch argument for their hatred of Zodiac.

In fact considering the spread of 12 zone. Rarely is there more then 1 atma group per zone. And they spread through levels, making it a non issue for low-levelers. A low leveler would not run to a lvl2 fate then run to a lvl18 fate or lvl40 fate. They will be at a level 2 fate or a lvl18 fate, and ignore the other.

This thread is just a bad argument.

[Aldotsk]

There is no conflict of interest that this thread tries to complain as a thinly stitch argument for their hatred of Zodiac.

Well yes, of course it's their hatred for Zodiac on the new players side and veteran side players. Why do you think I made this thread to request developers to restrict some low level areas to only have 50s (only) based FATEs so they can just farm FATE there instead of taking over low level FATEs?

[CrystalRainbow]

It's just a crazy right now because hard core player think they all have to get it done now.
In 2 weeks times, People will still be doing but it will not be so crazy in zones. I've already seeing the fall off.

And personally I don't mind a few over leveled people doing a fate as they speed it up and I still get gold 95% dueling with my wife.

[KyroeFelix]

I'm beginning to think this is only a serious on Balmung or other highly populated servers. Playing on Sargatanas, I see plenty of lowbie characters getting into FATEs solo and still getting gold and leveling off of them. I completely skipped most of the sidequests on my way up to 50 so I don't know if they xp received from them is abysmal or if new players are just lazy and don't want to do those quests in addition to their leves, logs, and main story.

Also, I've never seen a DPS queue for 2 hours. Ranged...maybe 45 minutes. Melee gets in within about 15 minutes. Should they take the atma FATEs out of low level zones? Maybe. But I doubt anyone will be clearing them unless they are in a party. Oh wait..wasn't that what people were doing pre 2.1? Ah, that's right. This isn't anything new.

[kukurumei]

Well yes, of course it's their hatred for Zodiac on the new players side and veteran side players. Why do you think I made this thread to request developers to restrict some low level areas to only have 50s (only) based FATEs so they can just farm FATE there instead of taking over low level FATEs?

What low level fates are you talking about? South shroud and costa de sol are not an atma spot. Those are were the top teir leveling spots.

The only semi fate grinds are centrals and east shroud, and those rarely if ever get busy. Heck east shroud has such a low turn out sometimes you have to solo fates for atma.

Instead of saying high level are taking over low level fates, 90% of the times it helps a low level player complete a fate they would otherwise not bother with because it takes too long.

[Amberion]

OP mentioned low level players complaining. I have to admit I only skimmed the thread, so could have missed it. But I did not see a low level player complaining here.

I did see one who said it was great with more people around. Then there was someone who went back and leveled another job, he also thought it was good...

So where are those that are complaining?