Accuracy on new Healer gear...?

[Akirakogami]

I was wondering this earlier today actually but healers should stick to their job and heal, not off-dps, if that's indeed what se are intending, its ridiculous. imo it shouldn't be on the gear, I would have put det instead. or sp if det already there. or omit it altogether and raise the other stats by a smidgen.

u don't see mind stat on bard gear so they can do a bit of off-healing now do u! lol

You are a bad healer. You should help your party in any way you can. If you can add damage to a extremely tight damage check then you should.

Bard doesn't have a heal.

[Risvertasashi]

You are a bad healer. You should help your party in any way you can. If you can add damage to a extremely tight damage check then you should.

Bard doesn't have a heal.

No. She's a bad DPS. A bad healer is one who doesn't precast cures, manage MP, or otherwise lets the tank/party members drop when it can be prevented.

Managing MP is at direct odds with DPSing on a heal class, and in coil/coil2 and other heal intensive fights, this actually matters a lot. Nevermind that tanks can drop in the space of a GCD if you aren't precasting. Cleric stance failing to turn off (due to animation or just missing the macro) can also be fatal with just 1 vastly underpowered cure.

I'm OK with healers being bad DPS myself.

[Lyrinn]

Those are non-issue scenarios because if the heals are that tight, a DPS-happy healer won't be DPSing either. But if you can throw even one Aero in, you should unless people have been derping and you burned all your MP on raises. It's scary how many healers just stand there and watch when there's a lull (looking at you, first 15 seconds of Leviathan EX).

[bloodSp3c]

You are a bad healer. You should help your party in any way you can. If you can add damage to a extremely tight damage check then you should.

Bard doesn't have a heal.

i help my party by healing them and keeping them alive, that's the roll i play. its your job as dps to do the damage. if it becomes an extremely tight damage check then you're not properly geared for the encounter

[Marcusow86]

You are a bad healer. You should help your party in any way you can. If you can add damage to a extremely tight damage check then you should.

Bard doesn't have a heal.

You are right, Bard doesn't have a heal, but they do have DPS skills and their job is to DPS. If you cannot do your job correctly and fail the DPS check, you do not have the right to blame anyone. Since the healer's main job is to heal which he did correctly by not letting anyone die, the DPS in the other hand cannot even fulfill their prime role.

FAIL is FAIL, suck it up and get better instead of asking your healer to DPS and if they refuse you brand them bad LMAO. the word BAD is on you, bro!

[Espon]

You are right, Bard doesn't have a heal, but they do have DPS skills and their job is to DPS. If you cannot do your job correctly and fail the DPS check, you do not have the right to blame anyone. Since the healer's main job is to heal which he did correctly by not letting anyone die, the DPS in the other hand cannot even fulfill their prime role.

FAIL is FAIL, suck it up and get better instead of asking your healer to DPS and if they refuse you brand them bad LMAO. the word BAD is on you, bro!

You sound like the type of person that also flips out on tanks that use Sword Oath even when they're not tanking or taking little damage because their main role is to tank.

There's been quite a few times where me putting in some DPS has saved us, such as being slow on Titan's Heart or beating enrage on Leviathan because some poor schmuck fell off the ship. If my healing isn't absolutely needed at the time and I can get by on just Lustrate and Fairy, I see no reason to drop a few DoTs or a Shadow Flare. It's the difference between being a good healer and a great healer.

[Lyrinn]

You are right, Bard doesn't have a heal, but they do have DPS skills and their job is to DPS. If you cannot do your job correctly and fail the DPS check, you do not have the right to blame anyone. Since the healer's main job is to heal which he did correctly by not letting anyone die, the DPS in the other hand cannot even fulfill their prime role.

FAIL is FAIL, suck it up and get better instead of asking your healer to DPS and if they refuse you brand them bad LMAO. the word BAD is on you, bro!

I just don't understand this mentality.

Here's a very simple question for you: if no one is taking much damage, both healers have MP to spare, and there's no upcoming damage for at least 3 seconds, which is the better player, the healer who stands around doing nothing or the healer who throws out some damage?

Keeping people alive is the bare minimum of what you should do. The job of every player is to do whatever it takes to push the group to a win. It doesn't matter if you're a tank, healer, or DPS, if something gives you better chances of winning, you do it. So while you may think, "Well, if the DPS can't do it themselves they don't belong there," I'd rather push on and throw out a few cleric stance'd DoTs to break that 1% heart of spume or what have you. While it doesn't happen often, if your throwing out damage helps in the win, then by not doing so you've indirectly caused that group's loss. Congratulations.

You're basically one of those people who do only what they're told and not a step further, and no one likes those kinds of people even in real life.

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By your logic, I shouldn't need to heal DPS that get hit by avoidable AoEs, I can just let them die and blame them for not dodging. What a joke.

[Tranquil]

I think you guys are blowing it out of proportion a bit. I wouldn't say a healer who doesn't DPS is bad, but simply not exceptionally good either. They are doing their main job, thus being a passably decent healer. A bad healer is a healer who can't focus enough and doesn't have the awareness required for the job (alarmingly many healer mains are slow on the uptake in the battlefield) as - after all - healing has the most variables to it each and every run, meaning healers need to be mechanically/situationally aware, quick and vigilant. Someone who doesn't fill this criteria, on top of the basic issues such as heal distribution/skill management/MP management is a bad to mediocre healer. Someone who delivers the aforementioned goods minus the off-DPSing -part is just not exceptionally good and not minmaxing, but not downright bad either.

This is coming from a healer who always tries to minmax her DPS-uptimes.

[Marcusow86]

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If you still did not get the main point of my post. Let me put it a little more OBVIOUS.

This is not about whether i can but i don't kinda post. This is about whether some DPS calling a healer BAD for not DPS-ing.

Yes, you dealing a little bit of damage and help wins the fight is nothing wrong, i don't condone that. But for some reason some DPS think that if they fail the DPS check, it is the healer that doesn't do DPS kinda bullshit mentality that got me off.

Still, my point stands firm, in Leviathan, if you need a healer to 'help' a DPS to clear a DPS check because apparently some DPS fell into the water or did low DPS and got it enraged, that DPS need to improve. Cause nothing in this game spells 'HEALER NEED TO DPS TO WIN'.

When i am healing, i don't go calling a SMN or BLM bad for not assisting me in healing the tank when the tank died. Same theory, a DPS should not be calling anybody but him/her self bad for not clearing the DPS check.

Keeping people alive is the bare minimum of what you should do. The job of every player is to do whatever it takes to push the group to a win.

Yup, healer keeping people alive is bare minimum. So is DPS clearing the DPS check. BARE MINIMUM. So, are you telling me DPS isn't slacking? or BAD?

Whatever it takes to win the battle right? If tank were to die due to not enough healing, can i blame BLM or SMN for not assisting in healing?

If a SMN did not help swiftcast raise the fallen, is he/her BAD? answer this question.
If a SMN or BLM did not heal the fallen tank, is he/her BAD? answer this question.

Once again i would like to emphasize my point. Healers are NOT compulsory to help you DPS anything, if they do, they add value to their current job which is keeping everyone alive. DPS that cannot go through DPS check for whatever cause have no reason what-so-ever to call a healer BAD for not doing the BARE MINIMUM job that they are required to do.

If a healer don't expect you to help them heal up the tank, don't expect the healer to help you DPS shit to clear DPS check.

[Marxam]

Sounds like more ammo for elitists to use. Healers need to dps too! >.<

What next? They'll give mind to PLD so they can use cure more? lol (actually this one is kind of a good idea)