Leves should be removed or atleast downplayed for overall gameplay?

[Renshi]

Heya!

No, they shouldn't. It's perfect content for those who don't have much time to dedicate on the game (myself included).
I like some challenge when I don't do leves in a party, so I just take a leve and put it 5 stars and see if I can come out with some strategies or whatsoever, and if I can't do it, I just drop it by 1 star and redo the spiral.

See ya!

[Drunk-Bandit]

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Yea... Some of us causal gamers... actually have rl jobs... and don't see the point of mindless grinding for hours... lol if that's your kinda thing however... go for it!

[giftforce]

Heya!

No, they shouldn't. It's perfect content for those who don't have much time to dedicate on the game (myself included).
I like some challenge when I don't do leves in a party, so I just take a leve and put it 5 stars and see if I can come out with some strategies or whatsoever, and if I can't do it, I just drop it by 1 star and redo the spiral.

See ya!

It's actually really time-consuming finding a leve party any time that isn't immediately after reset.

THe camps are all deserted and so you have to either do the leves yourself or find something else to do.

Doing the leves by yourself yields as much SP as soloing free-roaming non-leve mobs and so nearly defeats the purpose.

So... the leve system is not this perfect thing that is accessible for everyone. I feel like it fails to be what they wanted it to be.

[Renshi]

It's actually really time-consuming finding a leve party any time that isn't immediately after reset.

THe camps are all deserted and so you have to either do the leves yourself or find something else to do.

Doing the leves by yourself yields as much SP as soloing free-roaming non-leve mobs and so nearly defeats the purpose.

So... the leve system is not this perfect thing that is accessible for everyone. I feel like it fails to be what they wanted it to be.

Finding party is time-consuming. You can't do nothing about that.
If you're searching for a party, you know that you don't begin searching in the camp, but in the city-state instead. There are so many recruitments for parties anyway, so I don't see a problem on it. Also there are more people to search for.

And I'm not doing leves alone for SPs. For Challenge instead.

[Xatsh]

Nothing wrong with leves, honestly for an event that is designed to bring casual and hardcore players together to play they are pretty genius. They are casual enough that someone with limited time can do them in a group, and they rewards are high enough to draw the hardcores in to do them. With the idea that people would search for other with them and do them together.

The major problem is it is the only thing most people do to level, and people on this thread even said raptors are the only good sp outside leves but that is also completely wrong every level has a camp you can pull in 27-30k/hr except for 25-28, and 38-40 those you get around 23-26k/hr. (even those might have a better spot I have no found yet)

The fact no one groups outside of leves combined with the fact there is a lack of content there is simply no way to progress in the game besides a 3-4hr period of time every 36hrs, that is a community issue though as well as a lack of content issue.

I hate leves alot, but only because I done them alot. If I could log on and find a party to go grind on things outside leves 24/hrs a day like in XI. MY playtime would probably go up 4 fold.

[giftforce]

Finding party is time-consuming. You can't do nothing about that.
If you're searching for a party, you know that you don't begin searching in the camp, but in the city-state instead. There are so many recruitments for parties anyway, so I don't see a problem on it. Also there are more people to search for.

And I'm not doing leves alone for SPs. For Challenge instead.

I have spent over an hour in Uldah waiting for a party to do leves. There is a peak time immediately after reset when parties are easy to get, but after that it becomes exponentially more difficult.

And the point of FFXIV at the moment is "SP SP SP SP SP" so you can't blame people for being narrow minded about it.

If SE wanted to make the game more accessible, they should have made an automatic party-finder or else made the search system 1000 times more functional.

Leve quests do not have the intended purpose.

[BruceyBruceyBangBang]

There are many camps throughout progression that gain about 13k an hour with 3-4 people. If you really want to explore and find grinding camps out in the world, they are there. Since leve linking and failing is very popular, it just sort of undesirable unless you want to progress as fast as possible and have a bunch of time on your hands.

The largest factor, at least for me, is the fatigue when doing grind groups. The SP per hour takes a significant hit compared to leve linking and it's just not viable at those points. There is a lot of balancing that needs to go on both sides. It's not just leves that are the problem. It's many different factors to the progression system outside of them as well.

[Vackashken]

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Yea... Some of us causal gamers... actually have rl jobs... and don't see the point of mindless grinding for hours... lol if that's your kinda thing however... go for it!

I have a job, a child and one on the way, weight lift, do BJJ along with general parenting and still think leves should not be the focus of the game and am repulsed by how easy they make it. Don't play that card because it doesn't apply to everyone who has a "job".

[Rydin]

There are camps all over yes....
Most run out though and you get crushed by slow respawn times...
But those are good times to take breaks... maybe one every hour for about 10 minutes or so....

Leves are boring and monotonous now... But they do have potential... They just need better stories... better objectives... Tiered story arcs, the ability to grab the next tier directly at the camp

[Renshi]

I have spent over an hour in Uldah waiting for a party to do leves. There is a peak time immediately after reset when parties are easy to get, but after that it becomes exponentially more difficult.

And the point of FFXIV at the moment is "SP SP SP SP SP" so you can't blame people for being narrow minded about it.

If SE wanted to make the game more accessible, they should have made an automatic party-finder or else made the search system 1000 times more functional.

Leve quests do not have the intended purpose.

Ok, bringing on the topic theme, remove the Guildleves and go out killing monsters until you get to 50.
Now I can't see a point in playing aside from crafting or gathering. Are you sure you don't want Guildleves anymore?

The Party Search system is fine. People don't use it because it's a pain to access the menu, open a recruitment and waiting since no one will ever check it unless you shout for the use. So it's people's problem for not using it.
If the Dev team will add things like LFP indicators (which they'll do), then the Party Search system will be used. For now is a bunch of people screaming for party in Shouts.