It's official Parsers are illegal in FFXIV

[Awrini]

So nice to see the parser debate continue. See SE has no problem with what the parser does. Just as a company they cannot endorse a third party program. As a side now te, no parser except their internal one is accurate. Those if you claiming that parsers can read dot damage are highly mistaken. Dot damage in parsers is estimated by the parser.

But anyway the main problem SE has with these third party parsers is the harassment players receive. Honestly of people weren't being harassed daily for "bad DPS" these discussions wouldn't exist.

[MANTASTIC]

Attempting to ban players for the use of a simple tool designed to gauge the effectiveness of themselves and others around them just because it can be used to show someone bad at dps that they're bad at dps is pretty stupid. If they're going forward with this one they may as well ban the use of keyboards, you can hurt peoples feelings with those too.

[bokchoykn]

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That's not a problem with the parser, it's a problem with the person. And while I agree with you that parsers can often become a catalyst for toxic behavior, that doesn't mean that they can't be used constructively and responsibly. Some people see parse results as way for players to flex their epeen and compete with one another when they should be cooperating with each other, but you fail to see the value in players having a DPS metric to evaluate themselves and each other.

I also understand that some players don't care about being the best player they can be. Not everybody plays this game at the same level of intensity as I do. This is fine and I respect that.

However, the absence of a parser creates a double-standard where tanks and healers are required to perform but DPS is not. If a tank sucks, he will fail to manage aggro or not position properly and the group will criticize him for it. If a healer sucks, people will die from lack of healing and the group will criticize him for it. If DPS sucks, nobody knows because they don't have or can't talk about the statistical data to show it. Even if you were allowed to talk about it, remember: parsers are generally frowned upon by the average player and you have a good chance being considered as an elitist and a toxic member of the community.

The end result: DDs are exempt from the stardard of play that the Tanks and Healers are held to. Unlike Tanks and Healers whose inadequacies are obvious, when a DD is incompetent at his class, this fact is hidden from everyone including the DD himself.

How is this fair? Can you not see how this would affect the enjoyment of Tanks and Healers who are actually trying to learn their class? In both video games and in the real world people are MUCH MUCH MUCH more open and receptive to criticism if they know that everyone else is being held to the same standard and that constructive criticism is a two-way street.

Criticism is not spread evenly amongst all players. The weight is put on half of them. Wait, did I say "half"? It's actually much less than half as evidenced by DPS queue times, probably because nobody wants to play a class where they can't learn and improve on the same terms as DPS. It's a matter of fact: The lack of incentive for DPS to improve affects the willingness for everyone else to improve.

This is why parsers are needed by anyone who plays this game at any level of intensity. I understand and agree that sometimes it's abused and a catalyst for toxic behavior but it's no difference than people who berate tanks and healers when they fail at their job.

Punish toxic behavior, not parsers.

[Duelle]

Attempting to ban players for the use of a simple tool designed to gauge the effectiveness of themselves and others around them just because it can be used to show someone bad at dps that they're bad at dps is pretty stupid. If they're going forward with this one they may as well ban the use of keyboards, you can hurt peoples feelings with those too.

My guess is they're trying to set precedent to discourage addons. After talking about addons and then doing this effective 180, I can't say I am pleased.

[Asael]

You must be a parser user since you defend them.

lol sounds like you've been told your dps sucks one too many times...

[Jinko]

Thing is "if" addons are still on the cards ... (its gone very quiet on that front)

There is no way they will be able to keep parser out of the game and its even more unlikely they will be able to detect them either.

[Gormogon]

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The absent or parsers isn't that bad. It doesn't go to those extremes.

Regardless I agree toxic behavior needs to be punished or at least attended to. Sadly there's no efficient way to do so.

[OPneedNerfs]

Good luck discovering accuracy caps.

[bokchoykn]

The absent or parsers isn't that bad. It doesn't go to those extremes.

Regardless I agree toxic behavior needs to be punished or at least attended to. Sadly there's no efficient way to do so.

The absence of parsers IS bad. Maybe not at the casual level, but this game is supposed to appeal to players who play at all levels of intensity, is it not?

The importance and usefulness of parsers for the purpose of evaluation and self-improvement (and the improvement of your teammates) cannot be understated. Behind all the pretty sprites, flashy graphics and cool animations is a vast game of mathematics. Mastery of this game depends on understanding and applying math, and none of this is possible without access to numerical data.

[C-croft]

This is why parsers are needed by anyone who plays this game at any level of intensity. I understand and agree that sometimes it's abused and a catalyst for toxic behavior but it's no difference than people who berate tanks and healers when they fail at their job.

Punish toxic behavior, not parsers.

At your level of intensity, you shouldn't need a parser to watch what is going on... As a tank, you should be able to watch what is going on around you. And while it is much easier to see a bad tank or healer, it really isn't difficult to find a player lacking in skill.