Fix ATMA or I quit

[Norondor]

redundant, condescending and stupid

hey smart guy, what do you think the purpose of the relic weapons are? consider the nature of "a relic reborn," how that quest works; i'll wait.

[LexSunfire]

hey bright boy, what do you think the purpose of the relic weapons are? consider the nature of "a relic reborn," how that quest works; i'll wait.

you want to talk about condescending and redundant. your responses are nothing but condescending and redundant. you don't want people who have completed their atma quests to jump in and ask why people are whining when they've already completed the quest. I haven't completed my atma quest. so therefore, I fall outside of your ridiculous analogy.

[Norondor]

you want to talk about condescending and redundant. your responses are nothing but condescending and redundant. you don't want people who have completed their atma quests to jump in and ask why people are whining when they've already completed the quest. I haven't completed my atma quest. so therefore, I fall outside of your ridiculous analogy.

So you don't know? I'm seriously asking. You can have as much time as you want to think about it; how the quest works, the quality of the weapon you get, these are important to understanding the point here.

[LexSunfire]

So you don't know?

Dont' know what? don't know why you're bringing up the relic reborn quest? no. I have no idea why the relic reborn quest is relevant here except that you have to complete it first before doing the atma quest.

you still haven't explained to me why your analogy should stop me from posting in this forum. on top of that, you've already cancelled your subscription so why do you care?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...read-of-course!

[Norondor]

Dont' know what? don't know why you're bringing up the relic reborn quest? no. I have no idea why the relic reborn quest is relevant here except that you have to complete it first before doing the atma quest.

you still haven't explained to me why your analogy should stop me from posting in this forum. on top of that, you've already cancelled your subscription so why do you care?

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...read-of-course!

ok! you don't understand anything about the game, that's fine. Usually critical thinking skills are not required for playing games like this, so you can just coast, as you've been doing.

The relic system, as of 2.1, at least, allowed players to get viable, though not BIS endgame weapons through a consistently repeatable, if long questline, without an element of randomness -- no drops to farm or anything like that. An un-zenithed relic, for many classes, was worse than Titan HM weapons, and even a Zenithed relic was worse than Primal Focus weapons for many classes, and, of course, Allagan weapons mostly beat everything. However, Titan HM means competing for a single random weapon out of twelve that may not drop no matter how often you run the instance, and both Primal Focus and BCOB5 were hard enough to be considered something to work toward, or even out of reach for some players.

Upon this examination of "a relic reborn" we can say the merits of going for a relic in 2.0/2.1 over other comparable weapons are consistency and lack of competition, in exchange for requiring a lot of time and labor. Given this we can consider relics as an endgame option for people who don't have the time, patience or interest to run tons of parties looking for a single weapon drop and competing over upgrade items, or simply have other things competing for time that would be spent trying for a needed drop, but are willing to put in time to otherwise earn a weapon to start taking on harder content with.

GIVEN THE EXTREME RNG COMPONENT OF UP IN ARMS, WITH MULTIPLE PLAYERS REPORTING A GRIND OF DOZENS OR HUNDREDS OF HOURS FOR THEIR ATMA, THIS QUESTLINE CAN BE CONSIDERED A FAILURE IN LIGHT OF "A RELIC REBORN."

And of course i care, i like this game. I like it enough to expect better from developers who have proven they can design better content, and i care enough to try to get folks to understand exactly why this is an issue when dum-dums keep helpfully suggesting that IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE RNG, JUST GO FARM A WEAPON FROM LEVIATHAN AND COMPETE FOR THE UPGRADE ITEMS THAT RARELY DROP

[Norondor]

No; you're intentionally avoiding reading anything i've already written about it. Stay out of feedback threads to the developers if you're just going to fill them up with spam posts and self-superior preening.

[LexSunfire]

No; you're intentionally avoiding reading anything i've already written about it. Stay out of feedback threads to the developers if you're just going to fill them up with spam posts and self-superior preening.

what the hell.... you need help. professional help. either that or you're just an angry person. either way you're going straight to my ignore list.

[Norondor]

so if you're soooo much smarter than I am... what is the difference between our positions? enlighten me. how is what you're saying different than me saying the problem with the atma quest is that people can't see the finish line? you want an atma quest with "achievable, consistent goals." I would like an atma quest with a finish line in sight. if you're so amazing, tell me how those two things are different? teach me oh wise Norelle.

Ok, you know, i'm feeling generous. So, here.

you're either too stupid to understand what the difference is between working and gambling

... To which you respond;

"Achievable, consistent goals with clear markers of progress" = want to be able to see finish lines. We're saying the same thing.

... So here's some useful reading material for you!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler%27s_fallacy

The gambler's fallacy, also known as the Monte Carlo fallacy or the fallacy of the maturity of chances, is the mistaken belief that if something happens more frequently than normal during some period, then it will happen less frequently in the future (presumably as a means of balancing nature). In situations where what is being observed is truly random (i.e. independent trials of a random process), this belief, though appealing to the human mind, is false.

The problem is that you CANNOT work to reach the finish line; rather, if you reach it, it was not through work, but through processes external to your own labor upon which you have no input whatsoever.

If you think that's the same as just putting in the time, then I think you should not book vacations to Vegas at any time in the future, not to put too fine a point on it.