How did the community become this toxic?

[MrEzekial]

back in 1.0 and ffxi if you were a douche the whole server would know and you would not be able to progress because you would not get an invite to party or an event, so 99% of people were nice, even the elite if not joining to help, would /tell you some advice.

That's because almost nobody played late in 1.0.

[ReplicaX]

back in 1.0 and ffxi if you were a douche the whole server would know and you would not be able to progress because you would not get an invite to party or an event, so 99% of people were nice, even the elite if not joining to help, would /tell you some advice.

You must have been sheltered in both games then.

[Akira_Tenshi]

The players were bad on WoW because the game design made them that way and since FF XIV bases itself off WoW, we get the same result here. There is no incentive to be nice to people, or to work together. DF puts you with people you may never see again, so people don't care about them.

[Capita]

WoW changed the genre, and the players changed with it. Turns out that if you build a game tailored to greedy and selfish mainstream gamers, your community will become filled with greedy and selfish mainstream gamers. Profit over community, as it were.

I find it so stupid that FF players love to keep blaming WoW. I take it most of you haven't been exposed to anything other than FF and WoW, because WoW didn't start any of this. If you guys have ever played EQ, RO, UO, etc. you'd realize that the communities of each are FILLED with terrible selfish people. But you guys are looking through your rose-tinted FF glasses and biased anti-WoW rage that you seem to think only WoW had selfish people.

Here's a shocker: FFXI had some crappy, selfish people too! Yep. Didn't see that coming, did you? No way in hell I was gonna let someone else tag that NM for that expensive item before me, even if he's been there hours before I got there. Oh, FFXI had the best community? Hell no. FFXI, at least if you were in the hardcore HNM scene, was extremely cutthroat. And people weren't nearly as forgiving with new players, or players who weren't playing the ideal way.

The whole close-knit thing in FFXI due to forced grouping? Yeah, that was nice. Except it also made for the absolute biggest drama I've ever seen in an MMO. So much drama. Logging on was like watching a soap opera, and you'd even get the latest drama from other servers. "Did you hear about Randomnoob? I hear he got kicked from UberSauce LS, and his character was being played by someone else! Can you believe it??" WHO CARES!? Best community? Not even close. I'd give that award to RO. I'd rank FFXI's community next to EQ and WoW's.

I met some of the most incredible people on WoW, and some bad ones. I can say the same for any other game I've played. Seriously, think before you make such nonsensical comments.

[Lord_Zlatan]

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it really is insane how people blame wow for everything and think that it was all rainbows and butterflies in FFXI...

Try showing up to a party (even an exp party!) with some unconventional job setups (PLD/RDM, DRK/BLU, WAR/DRK were all greeted with immediate hostility for me, and this was back in the golden days).

[Kyoraki]

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Good or bad, at least those games actually had a community. You can't build a large server community when all you need to play the game is to stare at a duty finder lobby that pairs up random people across servers. Of course people will be encouraged to act selfishly when they will never see those players again! We need to get rid of these shortcuts if we ever want to see the community grow either way.

[Capita]

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And regardless, blaming WoW is useless and baseless. Duty finder doesn't stop you from creating your own groups and doing stuff the way you want to, it just gives people another choice. WoW has nothing to do with FFXIV's community. WoW doesn't make people undercut you as much as they can; WoW doesn't make people troll you; WoW doesn't make people leave your CT run when their item doesn't drop. The community being the way it is, is due to people being inherently selfish, and it has nothing to do with WoW. Blaming Blizzard for how the community acts is very stupid.

[Xairos]

I actively try to be nice and humble. If i mess up i dont blame anyone else or seek to find a scapegoat. I want to make a name for myself on my server.

[Kyoraki]

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Yes, because people create their own parties instead of using duty finder all the time, right? Right? The game heavily encourages you to use shortcuts like this, and it's of little surprise that people use that to invent shortcuts of their own. Why bother sticking around when the Duty Finder will match them up with another bunch of strangers within seconds? Blizzard aren't to blame for the mmo community, but they ARE to blame for providing the tools that brought it down.

[Sfarzoso]

(PLD/RDM, DRK/BLU, WAR/DRK were all greeted with immediate hostility for me, and this was back in the golden days).

I don't blame them lol.