Tanking baby

[Killabye]

Just my thoughts here, after running atma I've come to the understanding I'm a pretty good tank. I hold aggro on mobs over multiple tanks so I'm above average. The point is in DF I still get treated like shit. Sure I could wait for my badass FC "GnovA" leviathan, but why bother other people when there's a system in place that's faster. I'm not saying I'm awesome, in harder content I suck compared to some I've seen dps ing, but I don't deserve to be treated like shit. My response to this has worked pretty well. If they don't basically do what I say I'm a dick. It's really hurt my late game progress, no t5, only Garuda hm because I won't learn it from a video. It honestly takes me a good 5 wipes on something like titan hm or coil then I have most bosses down but you can't even learn the game without dickheads ruining it

[SkyHighDN]

I have to agree.

I Started out as a Main Bard (my character's Name is Robin Locksley..... Kinda makes me a default Archer).

But I leveled a Warrior..... Ever since then, I've been grinding out my tomes as a tank for the insta-queue's.... and yea, I LOVE the insta-queue. And I think I am a good tank, I always hold aggro, I find a way to weave in my Storm's Eye, and Storm's Path combo's... I use my cooldowns appropriately. I can gauge the DPS strength of the party, and pull accordingly..

But the hostility towards the tank is horrible.

My account was recently suspended due to language.... I mean seriously. I have a thick skin. When the attitudes pile up, I think it is justified to respond in kind... BUT I also am not the kind to go around reporting bad language for the sake of it. That's silly. I dont mind a f-bomb here, or any other such, its common language...

But magically my account had a 24 hour suspension.... And I thoroughly believe it was un-merited. I love how SE doesn't even justify it with a letter of foul play or anything..

I'm going to notch it up to my most recent Main Scenario Roullette. Where the OTHER tank was legitimately riding me about gil farming... like is it really so hard to kill some trash here and there when half the group was with me on it? He started getting vocal about it, I responded in kind.... and guess what... next time I log in, I am suspended..

I dont think my attitude has changed at all since August in-game. I think with the magnifying glass on the tanking role. If you don't conform to the elites in a group, you are subject to their aggression, whether it is provoked or not, and they will find anything to make your life hell. Makes me second think playing this game entirely. Awesome game.... the population is toxic, and I fully agree with Naoki

[BazFamrit]

If you have to wipe 5 times to learn content then all you're doing is allowing the echo buff to scale down the difficulty to your level. A good tank should always know what's coming and how to handle it. Going in blind is just lazy and a huge waste of time for everyone else in the group. Not wanting to learn through YouTube is fine but learn with people you know so everyone is prepared to spend some extra time in there. Think about it. If you were playing DPS and just waited 45 minutes to get into an instance, would you be OK spending over an hour in there while your tank learns a 20 min dungeon?

[GerMagic]

I'm by no means anywhere near Coil (didn'T even set foot in Turn 1 yet, though that's largely due to all groups shouting for "exp only" which I don't feel I have even after watching vids) and I can't understand how so many people have problems?

Granted, I'm tanking since Wow Vanilla and I did progress-raid for a year or-so in each of BC and Wotlk (no server-firsts or anything the like, but serious raiding 3x a week with a static if you will), but not yet have I ever been treated badly in this game. Not even once. I've played several 100s of 4 man dungeons and really never had anyone tell me off or harass me. The "worst" I ever got was "pull more mobs". So it's either you're worse than you think, or your behaviour that is leading to these flames (I can't believe I've only met nice people if supposedly so many people treat you like shit...).
I don't want to judge you or anything, nor am I saying you're a liar, but I just can't believe you're being 100% genuine. There has to be a reason for this, or you're exaggerating.

I have seen stuff like that happen in CT, but when it happened the tanks did always do something hilariously stupid (thats of course NOT a reason to treat someone badly, but I've seen it happen at least).



@ the last posting above: While I agree wiping 5 times is not exactly something that lets you get regarded as a good tank, I have to concur with "learning the dungeon". Unless we're talking high-end content I don't see why a tank would be obligated to educate himself before joining a dungeon. Now, I myself do it, just because it makes me feel more confident and as a tank I think that it's something thats needed to fullfill your role to the fullest. However, most DPS don't bother learning content, so why should a tank need to?
And if you're not okay with spending time with new people in a dungeon then go with your FC, it's as easy as that. Maybe I'm a bit too lenient, but if the group is nice (as in chatting friendly) I don't mind the timer as much. For example I had a WP group earlier with 2 BLM at 2.6k life and a healer with 3 life. We wiped like 3 or 4 times and the dungeon took us over an hour. It was still more fun than most runs that take 15 minutes, since you felt like you accomplished something and helped other people out a lot. That stupid rushing of dungeons is getting on my nerves anyway. I do it with my FC to farm tomes, but if I queue up for random people I don't expect them to be l33t-rush0rZ pros....

[ZDamned]

I have only once in my tanking career been called out...
and it was for not "tanking" the 2nd boss in Copper Bell Hard Mode.
I promptly said ok, find a new tank, and quit.

But otherwise, I'm always thanked at the end of my runs, even when I was new. (I DF all the time, and always help teach new players how to do things.)\

So, I have no idea what anyone here is talking about.

[BazFamrit]

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I'm not elitist at all. I'm not a hardcore gamer, I don't do speed runs and if someones new I do my best to teach them. I do, however, fault people for laziness. We all have access to the internet and it takes 5 minutes to pull up a guide of some sort. No one would ever fault a soldier for doing a bit of recon before attacking, in fact it's beneficial to the whole group to do so. If you're new and/or didn't have a chance to look up the instance then let people know you're new. It's that simple. Just say "i'm new" or "please let me know what I need to look out for". The selfish people who want to speed through everything have the choice to leave or stay and deal with it. If they complain, it was their choice to stay.

If you don't do your part by making people aware or doing some research then you deserve every bad comment directed towards you. I'm sorry but it's true. If i'm finding out you don't know what to do after the 4th or 5th wipe then each one of those wipes was a waste of time and gil for repairs. If people know you don't know what to do, they can explain it to you and save alot of time and money. Also, you'll get alot more positive feedback when you're new and perform better than people were expecting.

[JeTaisNoobie]

I don't know why but I've never had problems tanking in a DF group ever before. In fact, I'm the one who usually ends up teaching or yelling at my team mates telling them to dps this or heal that. If I do yell at them, I usually get 0 commendations, but when I teach, I get all the commendations. I think you just have to be really sure of your skills(spells) and your personal skills, both of which I'm very sure of. Do a bit of quick reading on any guide of the dungeon/instance you are going to join. It's not difficult.

[lxSch]

All HM can be done with 1 tanker/healer, no point blaming just one.
I understand the issue with people's attitude in DF. Most of them were CT residents, but were forced into dungeons since CT does not drop a decent amount of ToS. Some of them just don't speak english well enough so they won't explain anything or listen.
I stopped tanking in DF, only PF or FC team.

[FurryFury]

Just my thoughts here, after running atma I've come to the understanding I'm a pretty good tank. I hold aggro on mobs over multiple tanks so I'm above average.

Do not judge other tank on FATE experience. You know, half of those "average" tanks was most likely solo or in random party w/o healer. So why they must bother to actually tank, when Mr.AboveAverage is so eager to do all the work? Esp. at atma fates, where you just need to hit several times for bronze rating and can run away to another fate.

And yes, i think all classes should do their homework before queueing/joining PF and don't waste other's people time with multiple wipes/overly long dungeon runs.

[Killabye]

[QUOTE=BazFamrit;1997886]If you have to wipe 5 times to learn content then all you're doing is allowing the echo buff to scale down the difficulty to your level. A good tank should always know what's coming and how to handle it. Going in blind is just lazy and a huge waste of time for everyone else in the group."

I haven't used echo yet. Only thing I've really wiped regular on is coil and em. Any good video gamer goes in and fights the boss. If you unwrap a new video game, put it in and go to YouTube to watch the first boss video you're a tool. Usually after 2 runs the crew quits and I don't wanna run anymore cause they all talk shit. When the new dungeons came out we wiped once on almost every boss. No videos. No one said shit cause it was the first day but it really wasn't hard. If I had that happen today, a whole 5 days after patch, they'd have talked shit the whole way. What ever happened to not pulling out the Manuel till after you get your ass kicked a little?