'Raids', really?

[Morticous]

Reika, the fact that the word did not come from Wow has been made clear already, we are simply pointing out the sour taste it puts in some peoples mouths. I agree with Bled.. its not goign to make me quit the game, however I suggest that another name be used as it may bring more negative feeling to the game, especially for people who are new to the game or maybe are looking into the game. Raid is bland anyways... SE could most certainly think of a better word... Like Plunderage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Reika]

Reika, the fact that the word did not come from Wow has been made clear already, we are simply pointing out the sour taste it puts in some peoples mouths. I agree with Bled.. its not goign to make me quit the game, however I suggest that another name be used as it may bring more negative feeling to the game, especially for people who are new to the game or maybe are looking into the game. Raid is bland anyways... SE could most certainly think of a better word... Like Plunderage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well I don't think some other people got that message either heh.

List of names that would work go!

Riot
Rampage
Plunder
Assault
Siege
Invasion
Hostile Takeover
Blitzkrieg
.....
.....
.....
(Full Attack!)

[Reika]

Oh another thing.... people in my Japanese LS have no problem calling it a raid.

Talk about not being tainted by past MMOs

[Volsung]

First off I'd like to say you shouldnt have a problem with other people having a problem with a term. If its pointless let it be pointless. This has gone on for more pages than needed.

For me, the term doesn't bother me because of where it comes from or anything. It just sounds bland when coming out of the developers mouth, as if there is a lack of personal care to it. Its not because it "omg comes from WoW" or anything. It hits me like this "we're adding raids" "why should I care?" "They have gear" "and?" I'd like to know area history/reason for entering/ people involved etc. Usually a name ties that together. Thats my only quarrel with this issue.

[Viridiana]

Well first paragraph was completely unnecessary, seeing as i never claimed that FFXIV did not have ZERG content. ZERG content is ZERG content its in many games i never attached the two terms to FFXIV and WoW for comparison to make the point that the stigma exists, you attempted to put those words in my mouth through an assumption.

Raid just reminds me of the same old song and dance, ZERG and LOOT at the end, nothing sad about that, like i have stated and you have ignored if the term "raid" stays i ultimately don't care, i would just prefer something more creative in the end.

You say raid was rarely used.
-your word against mine-
I say i herd it all the time.

And i had plenty of experience in WoW, so your last claim is completely baseless and falls apart, seeing as your assuming Im an outsider to the game which i was not.

I'm not ignoring the part where you say you "don't care." I am, however, focusing on the part that always follows, where you say you hope they use "something more creative." I do consider your association of the word "raid" with Zerg->loot to be sad, though. Just a difference of opinion, I suppose.

I could be mis-remembering how often it was used. Obviously, I don't think I am, but, hey, human memory sucks. We could both be exaggerating our respective sides, and there'd be almost no way to tell. I will continue to assert, though, that it was used much more towards outsiders than it was towards other players.

Now, on to your first paragraph. . .

The term "raid" is not owned by WoW and if it is truly a raid then great call it that what ever, I'm just shocked at the people who play Final Fantasy's and do not care about the lore attached to the content.

Part of the WoW disease if you ask me ZERG content for LOOTS, and who gives a flying fu** about the immersion, plot, world and community.

If by definition all we are doing is raiding them fine if the definition fits use it, however i feel that raid is a common stigma within the community for ZERG and loot.

The word has a stigma attached, it is not attached to the game itself i hope that clears this up for you.

So, to be clear, you associate WoW with Zerg->loot, yet you claim that you never attached the terms to WoW. You then argue that XIV shouldn't have “raids” because that somehow also implies Zerg->loot. I fail to see how I'm putting words into your mouth at this point. You clearly say that “WoW disease” is Zerg->loot, and that FFXIV shouldn't have anything that's Zerg->loot. The fact is, I've already done more zerging in FFXIV than I ever did in WoW, so I don't see why we shouldn't have raids; especially since, and I hope you agree to this, raid doesn't really mean Zerg->loot. People just think it does.

[Viridiana]

First off I'd like to say you shouldnt have a problem with other people having a problem with a term. If its pointless let it be pointless. This has gone on for more pages than needed.

For me, the term doesn't bother me because of where it comes from or anything. It just sounds bland when coming out of the developers mouth, as if there is a lack of personal care to it. Its not because it "omg comes from WoW" or anything. It hits me like this "we're adding raids" "why should I care?" "They have gear" "and?" I'd like to know area history/reason for entering/ people involved etc. Usually a name ties that together. Thats my only quarrel with this issue.

I agree. It's a good thing they've given them names, then, wouldn't you agree?

[Bled]

Well I don't think some other people got that message either heh.

List of names that would work go!

Riot
Rampage
Plunder
Assault
Siege
Invasion
Hostile Takeover
Blitzkrieg
.....
.....
.....
(Full Attack!)

And all that is just from looking at a thesaurus, and most of those words would work.

As i see it we have two groups:

1. group one thinks the term raid is bland, generic, boring, bad stigma, and over used.
2. Its just a word i could care less.

If there is a third group please point it out are there people out there that truly think that Final Fantasy XIV needs to refer to these instances as raids?

Because as far as i see it if you only have those two groups then by basic logic it makes more sense to just call it something else.

[Wolfie]

"Some of the posts made on this forum by the anti-WOW brigade are asinine to the extreme. This topic especially feels almost like it could give me a brain tumor."

With that post above kept in mind, you are stating that you did not think this thread was pointless? Because if not then you got me i miss read into your post.

And with your new assertions i agree stigmas are bad and should be avoided at all coasts, it would be great to change the way people think everywhere so that stigma's didn't exist for the greater good. However the stigma does exist and the easiest way around it is coming up with a simple yet creative name change and avoiding it.

Your trying to make a mountain out of a molehill

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/asinine

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[Reika]

We could just call it an Adventure...

[Morticous]

We could just call it an Adventure...

Somebody already made fun of that suggestion