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    Lyrre Myste
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edellis View Post
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    it increases your initial dps, but it is TP reliant. Making skill-speed utterly useless once your part-way through a drawn out fight, and your starved for tp and invigorate is on cd. ask a bard for TP song? nope, healers need it to keep the tank alive. tp pots? nope, those are pvp only. has happened to me more than once, even with effective tp management. it doesn't affect your auto-attack, and the cooldowns of your skills and buffs either, whereas crit rate and determination do. in addition, skill speed scales worse than crit and determination.
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    Ixora Lepta
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    Archer Lv 73
    Quote Originally Posted by saber_alter View Post
    it increases your initial dps, but it is TP reliant. Making skill-speed utterly useless once your part-way through a drawn out fight, and your starved for tp and invigorate is on cd. ask a bard for TP song? nope, healers need it to keep the tank alive. tp pots? nope, those are pvp only. has happened to me more than once, even with effective tp management. it doesn't affect your auto-attack, and the cooldowns of your skills and buffs either, whereas crit rate and determination do. in addition, skill speed scales worse than crit and determination.
    It doesn't increase your DAMAGE at all, it just ALLOWS you to decrease the time at which you deliver it. Your DPS is only increased if you use your skills as fast as you can. But if you run out of TP and get screwed during long battles its still your fault.

    All of those problems can be managed by simply not spamming your skills so fast. I think there should probably be a visual effect on your icons that not only tell you when your ability is avaliable, but also the original 2.5 GCD cooldown timer so you wont burn through all your TP.

    But your skills aren't using more TP, you're just using them faster. That problem you stated above is still 100% avoidable.



    I play Bard, and I myself noticed the detrimental effects of not noticing that you are using skill faster than your TP is regenerating...it's just a simple fix of being self-aware of your abilities. It is not a crippling stat, it's an enabling stat.
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    Last edited by Edellis; 03-31-2014 at 05:10 AM.

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    Vonelis Heischield
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edellis View Post
    It doesn't increase your DAMAGE at all, it just ALLOWS you to decrease the time at which you deliver it. Your DPS is only increased if you use your skills as fast as you can. But if you run out of TP and get screwed during long battles its still your fault.
    Basically, you're saying that Increased Attack Frequency should be balanced with good TP management, which involves Reducing your Attack Frequency

    You.... really don't see something wrong? At all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raestloz View Post
    Basically, you're saying that Increased Attack Frequency should be balanced with good TP management, which involves Reducing your Attack Frequency

    You.... really don't see something wrong? At all?
    No...because the whole point is the ability to increase your attack frequency.
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    Aramil Souldrifter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edellis View Post
    No...because the whole point is the ability to increase your attack frequency.
    No it allows you to use your weaponskills more often does not affect auto attack.

    And I don't know what your contribution to this is. There is no debate on managing TP. You have to do that with or without Skill Speed. The point is that it does not add anything compared to accuracy, determination and crit rate. I would like square to re look at this stat and make it viable so when we get a piece of gear with Skill Speed on it and think its junk. You can find lower level ilvl gear than current end game gear that weighs heavier because Skill Speed does not improve your characters. You can have 2 pieces of gear that are identical with Skill Speed and the other Piece has everything but Skill Speed and are roughly equivalent to performance. However you do that with a piece of gear with det or crit on it and too extent accuracy you have lowered that person dps output.
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    Dante Huntington
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    Wish Icarus Wings could be crafted and used outside of PvP like in XI, that would be nice.
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