SKill speed needs to change.

[AlphaDragoon]

Or you could just pay attention to your TP bar and not waste it all during extended battles?

It really isn't that hard. It's a DPS increase based on time that you're in complete control of.

Or you could get Determination and Critical Hit gear and do more damage overall.

That's the point, SS is pretty close to a useless stat. The DPS increase it provides is minimal, it makes you run out of TP more quickly no matter how well you manage it (by virtue of what it does), and the other two DPS increasing stats FAR outstrip it. Even Monks, who are designed to be a Skill Speed based Job, consider SS to be all but useless and stack DET/CRIT.

It needs a rework, IMO. Giving it increased TP regen would make it far more attractive, as well as (slight) increases in AA speed. If they chose to do an AA increase they should be careful though as Monks already have Greased Lightning which increases AA speed and further speed increases might unbalance them.

Or they could just make it so skill speed also effects the cooldown of things not on the global cooldown. A faster Invigorate recharge would REALLY be nice.

This also would be a good idea. Would alleviate the TP drain a bit as you would have faster access to Invigorate, as well as provide quicker access to the off GCD moves for more damage.

[Edellis]

Or you could get Determination and Critical Hit gear and do more damage overall.

That's the point, SS is pretty close to a useless stat. The DPS increase it provides is minimal, it makes you run out of TP more quickly no matter how well you manage it (by virtue of what it does), and the other two DPS increasing stats FAR outstrip it. Even Monks, who are designed to be a Skill Speed based Job, consider SS to be all but useless and stack DET/CRIT.

All it does is lower the GCD of your moves. It's completely pointless to compare it to Det or Critical Rate because you can't choose which you obtain over the other.


You gain the same amount of TP at the same rate no matter how fast you burn through it, which essentially means your overall damage-per-TP stays the same but your DPS obviously increases since you're able to shell more out at once. you're still in complete control of your TP bar, but it lets you utulize more of it faster. It has its uses, but i dont understand why people wish it did something different...it works exactly the way it should.



If Haste existed and theoretically lowered your GCD to 0.5 seconds, nobody would be able to dispute the beneficial possibilities of Skill Speed, regardless if your TP recovery rate stayed the same.

[saber_alter]

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it increases your initial dps, but it is TP reliant. Making skill-speed utterly useless once your part-way through a drawn out fight, and your starved for tp and invigorate is on cd. ask a bard for TP song? nope, healers need it to keep the tank alive. tp pots? nope, those are pvp only. has happened to me more than once, even with effective tp management. it doesn't affect your auto-attack, and the cooldowns of your skills and buffs either, whereas crit rate and determination do. in addition, skill speed scales worse than crit and determination.

[Edellis]

it increases your initial dps, but it is TP reliant. Making skill-speed utterly useless once your part-way through a drawn out fight, and your starved for tp and invigorate is on cd. ask a bard for TP song? nope, healers need it to keep the tank alive. tp pots? nope, those are pvp only. has happened to me more than once, even with effective tp management. it doesn't affect your auto-attack, and the cooldowns of your skills and buffs either, whereas crit rate and determination do. in addition, skill speed scales worse than crit and determination.

It doesn't increase your DAMAGE at all, it just ALLOWS you to decrease the time at which you deliver it. Your DPS is only increased if you use your skills as fast as you can. But if you run out of TP and get screwed during long battles its still your fault.

All of those problems can be managed by simply not spamming your skills so fast. I think there should probably be a visual effect on your icons that not only tell you when your ability is avaliable, but also the original 2.5 GCD cooldown timer so you wont burn through all your TP.

But your skills aren't using more TP, you're just using them faster. That problem you stated above is still 100% avoidable.



I play Bard, and I myself noticed the detrimental effects of not noticing that you are using skill faster than your TP is regenerating...it's just a simple fix of being self-aware of your abilities. It is not a crippling stat, it's an enabling stat.

[Raestloz]

It doesn't increase your DAMAGE at all, it just ALLOWS you to decrease the time at which you deliver it. Your DPS is only increased if you use your skills as fast as you can. But if you run out of TP and get screwed during long battles its still your fault.

Basically, you're saying that Increased Attack Frequency should be balanced with good TP management, which involves Reducing your Attack Frequency

You.... really don't see something wrong? At all?

[Edellis]

Basically, you're saying that Increased Attack Frequency should be balanced with good TP management, which involves Reducing your Attack Frequency

You.... really don't see something wrong? At all?

No...because the whole point is the ability to increase your attack frequency.

[Phaylis]

No...because the whole point is the ability to increase your attack frequency.

No it allows you to use your weaponskills more often does not affect auto attack.

And I don't know what your contribution to this is. There is no debate on managing TP. You have to do that with or without Skill Speed. The point is that it does not add anything compared to accuracy, determination and crit rate. I would like square to re look at this stat and make it viable so when we get a piece of gear with Skill Speed on it and think its junk. You can find lower level ilvl gear than current end game gear that weighs heavier because Skill Speed does not improve your characters. You can have 2 pieces of gear that are identical with Skill Speed and the other Piece has everything but Skill Speed and are roughly equivalent to performance. However you do that with a piece of gear with det or crit on it and too extent accuracy you have lowered that person dps output.

[Huntington]

Wish Icarus Wings could be crafted and used outside of PvP like in XI, that would be nice.