SE - 2.2 is Going to Cost You Greatly

[Gramul]

Yeah... you realize you just created a fallacious argument, right? Of course the reciprocal applies. The contextual point is that--factually--players are leaving the game despite certain people being pleased with the changes.

I love how you got any upvote's for an undeniably fail point... laughable.

Have you forgotten the people who left because the game was lacking in content like this?
In any case, don't expect much communication till Monday as I believe they get weekends off. The patch just came out and they're still reviewing the reception both in game and in the forums.
We may not hear about any plans for changes for a while simply because that sort of stuff has to go through a lot of company bureaucracy.

[Brannigan]

This patch owns.

[SirSaber]

NOTE: just because you like it & your friends do, doesn't mean the whole of the playerbase does... an argument that people enjoy it & it won't affect the # of subscribers is naïve at best. Sorry, that is no argument. Glad you're sticking around though! I personally enjoy 2.2 minus a few gripes here or there.

NOTE: Just because some & their friends dislike it, doesn't mean the whole playerbase does. Forum posts do not even reflect the playerbase's opinions ( not if it's not a massive # page thread ). And we all know how modern MMO players work, their either casually playing, advancing slowly or playing actively, burning through content and after they do that, they stop playing until the next Update.

The he !

[Miitan]

Yeah... you realize you just created a fallacious argument, right? Of course the reciprocal applies. The contextual point is that--factually--players are leaving the game despite certain people being pleased with the changes.

I love how you got any upvote's for an undeniably fail point... laughable.

This is an interesting notion.

Do you have non-anecdotal evidence that the reason they are leaving is due to the changes you've outlined in patch 2.2 and not for unrelated reasons?

[Felis]

Oh do you ? You mean you have 3 characters so you pay 3-4$ more a month than it costs for 1 character, thus paying more to get more... right?

Wrong
I only pay 10€ if I pay for single months ^^
9€ for 3 months and 8€ for 6 months

[PixelPirate]

Several of my friends think/feel the same way as the OP. I haven't logged into the game in 2 days simply because I don't know how to tell 3-4 of my good gaming buddies that they basically just need to STFU. I feel bad because nothing SE does makes them happy. They seem locked into a perpetual "I wish this game was more like FFXI" state of mind. Let's face it, FFXIV is essentially a Final Fantasy skin of WoW. I really hate to do it but, eventually, I feel I'll have no choice but to sever ties with my friends that simply can't get over it. Patches give me a sad for this reason alone.

[Jinko]

I welcome all the changes bar two.

The forced fate bullshit for Atma stones and the fact that to upgrade your tome gear you have to get mats from coil2, which is stupid as the gear that drops in coil2 is comparable and/or better rendering it a side grade at best, not to mention that you have to compete once a week on said materials and then you are locked out (same as high allagan)

I can understand them wanting to make the tome gear harder to obtain/upgrade although I duno why the upgraded tome gear is still the same ilvl as Allagan anyway.

I wish they would concentrate more on better itemisation, gear progression, customisation and choice, have multiple ways to obtain gear and not just throw it in your end game raid with a shitty lock out system.

[Battlewrench]

I think its sad that if you can reskin WoW well enough you'll make a buttload of money.

[Penguinmayhem]

I'd like to see a census of the userbase. How many people have actually done even half of the endgame content by now? How many people actually do grind Coil or Labyrinth or Crystal Tower on a daily, or semi-weekly or even weekly basis? What percentage of the userbase does that particular demographic represent?

[Alym]

I think it's far too early to even be looking at subscription gains/losses. We are way too close to the release of a major patch; of course there will be a ton of people playing right now.

However, I will say that they have lost a tremendous amount of trust and good will from me between the Zodiac Saga, low (maybe even lower than 2.1) Mythology Tomestone accrual rates while greatly increasing the amount needed if upgrading relics, and making Soldiery gear i110 based on even more Coil RNG and lockout. Gearing for i110 has a singular path now - Coil. Fewer options are never a good thing. I say this as someone with a pretty good Coil static. I can't say for sure but based on what I've seen, I'm not the only person that feels this way.

It's obvious they are trying to appeal to a different demographic with 2.2 than they were with 2.0 and 2.1. Personally, I can only hope that this patch isn't an indication of how updates are in the future.