SE I sure hope Unidentfied Allagan Tomestones drop in other places besides CoB T6+.

[Odett]

I think this is what happens when you spoil casual players and give them the opportunity to get gear on par with coil loot just by farming regular dungeons for a certain amount of time.

I'm sounding like a broken record here, but you don't need the best gear (coil gear) to run something that's not coil! AF2 and Coil Gear should NOT be more accessible and are fine just the way they are because you do not need that gear for any other content that is not Coil. Someone above me posted that the new Coil gives 4 drops, I cannot verify this, but if this is true, then your "omg but I keep getting screwed by the RNG" argument is pretty moot because now we're getting TWICE the amount of drops we did in Turns 1-5.

[Sfarzoso]

I think this is what happens when you spoil casual players and give them the opportunity to get gear on par with coil loot just by farming regular dungeons for a certain amount of time.

I'm sounding like a broken record here, but you don't need the best gear (coil gear) to run something that's not coil! AF2 and Coil Gear should NOT be more accessible and are fine just the way they are because you do not need that gear for any other content that is not Coil. Someone above me posted that the new Coil gives 4 drops, I cannot verify this, but if this is true, then your "omg but I keep getting screwed by the RNG" argument is pretty moot because now we're getting TWICE the amount of drops we did in Turns 1-5.

Ok so to you, by your answer, you think that because we're casual and don't have as much as practice as other we don't like progression ? Sorry but by your answer I think to you having gear mean "needing to be no life" As for say people do want to try obtain things as well whenever they can. It's not because you can give full time at something that it must means not needing the equipment for it. I dont speak against the fact that Allagan is the highest gear but the fact that AF2 should be accessible by anyone like we always knew so far, and like XI done during 13 years!

Consider this, there will be new primal and other fight that are easy to be done or easy of access, so if you want to act like and thinking everyone is a broken record then I will be glad to say you're in the wrong. So you make absolutely no sense to me! Human plan must not be strong when one know you outside the game!

[Odett]

Please tell me where I said that I look down on casuals and that they should be exempt from certain content. You don't need to be a "no life" to have the best gear, especially in this game where almost everything has a weekly lockout. You keep saying that everyone has the right to gear progression, but context matters. iLv 90 gear is super easy to obtain, and that's considered overkill for the hardest content outside BC, which are EX Primals.

On top of that, you can get ilv 95 gear on a weekly or (depending on the parts) biweekly basis, which is even MORE overkill for content outside of BC. That right there is your gear progression if you don't want to do Coil. Also realize that there are people clearing T6 and T7 in i90 gear, so you can do those as well with full Myth which is very easy to get now. What a lot of people are saying in this thread is "oh look, that player has really good gear, I want an alternate way to acquire it that doesn't require as much time or effort, even if what I currently have equipped now is overkill for the content I enjoy doing."

[rockso]

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Again who determines who is guaranteed that drop? Do you give it to the dps? to the tanks? to the healers? You know everyone needs it in this situation. Ok it drops well who gets it? If you were the person picked wouldnt you feel like you were not appreciated as much?

Oh were giving it to the tanks so they can survive better. Response: DPS but ill do more dmg so it will die better! Response: Healer bull ill cure better and use less mp so i can cure all the things!.

Its going to cause an issue. And what about that person thats 4/x drops to completing their set. And lets say a tank is 1 piece away. Would you rather have a full 110 tank or give it to the person catching up? Leaving it to RNG leaves it to chance.

Ok so maybe you dont get a drop this week. You cap your tomes and save them. You are rocking full 90 gear on whatever class. You can beat turn 6 and have beaten t7. Someone else gets a drop and it wasnt you. Well that sucks but hey next week you can cap your tome and buy a new body or legs with tomes. And even though it not i110 its (arguably) better than you 90 gear. So what you dont get a 110 drop when you beat something. If you are patient and wait keep having fun with your friends, remember when your friends in your static get better so does your chances of getting gear. You can progress further and have 3 turns worth of chest.

Why does everyone want "everyone gets a gold medal" rewards today?

[Arkista]

Ok there are a few of you who are just taking this way out what I had to say. This isn't about who is hardcore enough to do the content, Or if you're casual then you don't need anything.

The Point is if you have to deal with lockout on top of a lockout, Deal with RNG, and then cast lots against 7 other players. If you have a crappy week in coils or six weeks you have Weathered Gear you can buy (1st lockout 450 week), Then you need to get Oil/Sand to upgrade (2nd lockout CoB), then you have to hope what you need Drops (3rd RNG yes there are 4 slots in T7 but does that mean what you need will drop?) And lastly You have to lot against 7 other players when it drops.

Now I have already said if you have a Static your chances are better to get OoT/SoT if you are having bad luck, If you don't have a static Then you better have good luck.

I don't care if you have to do the hardest content for these upgrade items, Its the fact that people are going to get screwed over by Lockouts. If you went 3 months without a drop from coils how would you feel if you couldn't get your gear on par with others/static members? Some of you are just taking it to far than it needs. There is a thing called Karma maybe it will kick in and some people will see how it feels to go week after week and not get a damn thing.

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So far only T7 has 4 loot

That doesn't mean what you need is going to drop. T6 is only 2 drops unless there is a way to get 2 more coffers, T7 is 4 drops is that 100% each week? Looks like 2 slots on the left are Armor and the 2 on the right are upgrade items, Will it always be like this? Even if T7 is always 4 Chest there are 3 upgrade items so you still have to deal with RNG. Unless T7 only drops OoT/UAT 100% each week. If it does then that's fine if you are in a static.

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What are you talking about? What did you think was going to happen? If you're in a Static it going to be like that, Who should get the Upgrade item First? I've already said this a few pages back. Should the person who has had a few crappy weeks get it, The DPS, Tanks, Healers, or that greedy Static member who is 2 pieces away from full ilvl110, while everyone else only has 2 pieces? That is left up to the static as a group to decide who gets the upgrade item.

As for players who don't have a Static then its simple Free for All. I don't know if you know the details on how to upgrade the Weathered Gear or what your not understanding but you have to buy the gear first which has a weekly lockout of 450 tomes. Just so you know to buy every Piece of Weathered gear it is going to take a minimum of Eleven Weeks, That's not counting 3 more weeks for the Weapon Tokens. So regardless if something drops 100% to each party member we still have a Weekly Lockout that is going to prevent players from having BIS In a week. So it doesn't matter if you had 1 million Sands of Times or 40 lockouts are lockouts..... Crater already told you.

If a GM spawned into the game and just handed you a stack of 99 of each, it would still be impossible for you to gear up any faster than the 450 Soldiery/week lockout will allow. It's not something that would ever allow people to gear up "too fast", and it's not handing out gear to people who haven't earned it, because to actually get the things you need to actually complete Turns 7 and up.

[Odett]

If you're unlucky with drops, you can keep gearing yourself up with ilv 95 gear in the meantime. I think you'll have a lot more fun when you start seeing content as the objective and stop seeing the gear it drops as the end-all-be-all reason for doing it. Yes, there are many things that can go wrong, but you can get lucky as well. Mind you, you started this whole thread listing everything bad that could happen in a hypothetical situation, this isn't even a problem anyone has encountered yet. You'll be better off when you realize that the new best gear takes more time than you're used to in ordered to be acquired, and it's OK as long as you're gearing up with ilv 95 gear in the meantime. I'm not going to post anything else after this, because there really isn't anything you can do to explain to players who want instant item gratification that this game took a different and turn in 2.2, and that they'll have to stop whining because they no longer get the best gear handed out to them just for playing the game for a certain number of weeks longer than someone else.

[Arkista]

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There is nothing hypothetical about what I said. I went from 3 months without a drop from Coils, Last week was the 1st time I got a Gear drop since Dec. Tank/Healer gear not Dropping and people Changing main that happened. People having crappy luck in coils, Yeah that happens too. Will it happen to everyone probably not, Some people have some really good luck or just greedy as hell. So the stuff has happened, You even said

(and I'm also plagued with bad luck from drops, lol), .

I don't care that the Weathered gear is only ilvl100 and it needs to be upgraded, I care about the way the upgrade items are being handled. I don't care who is or who isn't doing Coils. The Unidentified Allagan Tomestone should be 100% drop from T7 or higher its used to make a weapon so that's fine. Then if you have a static it would only take 8 weeks for everyone to get a weapon. The Sands/Oils of time should be a 100% drop rate to everyone in the entire party something like T6 drops the Sands and T7 drops the oils or vice versa.

At least then you're guaranteed to get at least one item per week, Still have a weekly lockout on Tomestones. Yeah others may get more, But that's the way things go. Just because a hand full of people beat T5 with Darklight doesn't mean everyone is going to be T9 in full ilvl90. The objective is Gear Progression, Do the Content and be rewarded. I don't want to spend 6 months gearing one job because of bad luck.

If the content didn't have week long lockout then this wouldn't even be an issue.

[Araeya]

At least then you're guaranteed to get at least one item per week

Who says a person should be entitled to one drop per week? If you can't deal with RNG (in it's full spectrum), I haven't the foggiest idea why you even bother playing MMO's. For that matter, people are getting up in arms already when we don't actually even know the general drop rate for the Sands - before the first lockout has even happened. Sounds legit. I would suggest again that people stop focusing on the gear and enjoy the process of getting (or not getting) it. Sure, it's a reward for doing the content, and it makes clearing further content easier, but that's it. The fun is the game. If you don't understand that, again, I don't know why you bother playing MMO's, especially those that limit your gearing.

[Jinko]

Who says a person should be entitled to one drop per week? If you can't deal with RNG (in it's full spectrum), I haven't the foggiest idea why you even bother playing MMO's. For that matter, people are getting up in arms already when we don't actually even know the general drop rate for the Sands - before the first lockout has even happened. Sounds legit. I would suggest again that people stop focusing on the gear and enjoy the process of getting (or not getting) it. Sure, it's a reward for doing the content, and it makes clearing further content easier, but that's it. The fun is the game. If you don't understand that, again, I don't know why you bother playing MMO's, especially those that limit your gearing.

Not really, different people derive fun from different things, some like to min and max which means getting the best gear available.

You are right that its not realistic to expect one drop per week, but thing is when people go 3 months without the drop they want then it becomes a big issue and you can't serious tell me that's not broken.

Yes RNG is RNG blah blah, but some people prefer to work towards something which is what tome gears purpose was, but now they have taken part of that away by making the upgrade item RNG + lockout which is just retarded.

[Araeya]

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I was one who went two months without seeing a single healer drop when that was my main job. I didn't complain about it it. And even if the Weathered gear isn't as high a level as Allagan, it is still there to supplement, as Myth was. You'll still be working toward something, which is completing the content. If what you're working toward is just having gear, RNG says that you may be setting yourself up with unrealistic expectations and if that's a huge disappointment, therein lies your problem. I enjoy min-maxing, myself, but I also understand why this system was put into place. All I'm really hearing (seeing) in this thread is that the sky is falling. As I tell those in my FC who want to clog our chat with complaints, "If you have this much issue with a game, perhaps find one that better suits you rather than complaining about this one." No one is forcing you to play a game that you feel hinders you in the way you have fun, but to expect the game to bend to your whim is ridiculous.