Three Star Master Recipes (Difficulty)

[Lyrinn]

I know, but its still crazy (^_^)

Steady Hand I, Piece by Piece x2, Ingenuity II, Careful Synthesis x3.

That's still 20 more Durability used (non-Waste Not) and 52 more CP required compared to Two Star recipes. It completely obliterates your Inner Quiet -> Byregot's Blessing rotations and that amount of CP isn't easy scrounge up with no new CP gear.

I hope you mean Steady Hand II. Also, (HQ) Bouillabaisse and Comfort Zone.

[Galactimus]

I hope you mean Steady Hand II. Also, (HQ) Bouillabaisse and Comfort Zone.

Piece by Piece has a 90% chance of success. You don't need Steady Hand II to raise it to 100%. Therefore, Steady Hand I.

I already use Comfort Zone and HQ Bouillabaise. My gear is stat capped with materia (it pretty much has to be to meet the requirement to craft three stars.) Most rotations rely on six stacks of Inner Quiet ending with a Byregot's Blessing. Three star recipes drop you down to four stacks of Inner Quiet (since you need to use Piece by Piece twice now.) Your Byregot's Blessing get's crushed as a result.

[Lyrinn]

Three star recipes drop you down to four stacks of Inner Quiet (since you need to use Piece by Piece twice now.) Your Byregot's Blessing get's crushed as a result.

My 8 stack Byregot's says otherwise.

[Galactimus]

My 8 stack Byregot's says otherwise.

"Most rotations rely on 6 stacks." Either way, you need to spend at least five turns using up Durability just to finish the Synthesis (or Gamble using Rapid Synthesis.) Which greatly reduces your Byregot's Blessing effectiveness.

[Lyrinn]

Either way, you need to spend at least five turns using up Durability just to finish the Synthesis (or Gamble using Rapid Synthesis.) Which greatly reduces your Byregot's Blessing effectiveness.

I don't really have any sympathy for anyone who thought using static rotations was going to work on these. And sure, Byregot's is less effective now but having that one skill be a free ride to HQ was stupid. Even with the reduced effectiveness, these really aren't that hard to HQ.

In 2.0, most crafted i70 gear only cost 1.5-3x more in P-tomes than Darklight gear

And most of the new crafts cost 1500 myth, which is 1.5x of body/pants and 3x of everything else minus accessories. If you include accessories, 2.0 was even more expensive.

easy to HQ, even if at the bare pre-requisites for Control/Craft.

lolno, HQing Vanya was not easy when most people didn't have penta-melded HQ AFs with mathcrafted rotations set out in stone. Or were you not around when Vanya was selling for a million?

Join Date Oct 2013

Oh, sorry, guess you weren't.

The story is quite different here, and to suggest otherwise borders on white-knighting.

I don't think that means what you think it means.

[Galactimus]

It's not easy to HQ them

These really aren't that hard to HQ.

I agree the 'free ride to HQ' was pretty silly; especially compared to what crafters went through in 1.0. But comparing 2.0 Vanya (100% HQ with normal mats) to 2.2 Three Stars is quite the stretch of the imagination. Yes, you can grab all HQ mats and get a pretty high percentage. But with NQ mats good luck getting to 30% HQ (on average.)

Or were you not around when Vanya was selling for a million?

Vanya was selling for 1mil because it required up to 27 Tome Mats per piece; which were priced at 40-50k each. NOT because it was difficult to HQ.

Is there something inherently wrong with needing to use HQ mats?

I'm just comparing the difficulty between two star recipes and three star recipes.

[Castillan]

lolno, HQing Vanya was not easy when most people didn't have penta-melded HQ AFs with mathcrafted rotations set out in stone. Or were you not around when Vanya was selling for a million?

Join Date Oct 2013

Oh, sorry, guess you weren't.

My join date has nothing to do with the fact that HQ'ing Vanya is easy. I was able to do it without any over-melded crafting gear (let alone penta-meld, heck even had some free slots) and the basic CZ/IQ/SH2/HT/ToT spam method by using food to reach the minimum criteria, and still never failed out of about 30 items made like that. Sure, I had to use HQ base mats where possible, but it was NEVER hard.

Edit: Oh, and the price of something has (near) zero correlation to its difficulty to produce. Rarity vs demand affects price far more than difficulty.

[FJerome]

I don't really have any sympathy for anyone who thought using static rotations was going to work on these.

Have to agree with that, you shouldn't be able to be AFK while a macro crafts the hardest recipes in the game for you.