Plan to remove benefit for failing leves?

[Molly_Millions]

Jep, i haven't been able to read all pages, but that abandon leve trick has to me the biggest benefit, which is time. I'm in a static and we do 5 abandon leves each reset. We gain about 60-90k, depending on guardian and fatigue, in 2.15hr-2.30hr. When you don't have much time to play, but want to tag along to be able to do HL events with your guild and that way being able to have fun, i don't see why this 'trick is bad'. It's an opportunity.

Sure, ppl who don't have a group to do it, can be annoyed, but there are plenty of shouts or ppl needing a few members.

and that's the other reason to fail leves, time. In our case, we're a social LS, as such most of our members don't have time to play 8 hours a day, but we do have 2:30 to play every 36 hours. To make any significant progress in that amount of time, leve failing is our only option.

[Vackashken]

coordination and planning, exactly. I think thats why some people get so upset, because they feel left out. They havent the will nor the drive to assemble a group that can execute such a plan. Its not like were standing in a line that hands out sp, you have to work for it. And beings you can only do it every 36 hours it leves time to level other classes or partake in the endless amount of content(joking). The people who are complaing are the ones that want to tag along with your group and all they have to offer is the devilet inside,"can i come".

The presumption is hilarious.

I find it interesting anytime someone says something negative it is based on jealousy or an inability to do "something". Seems to be the calling card of so many people unable to argue merits rather then relying on emotion.

[syntaxlies]

Now here's the crazy part, me and my LS get so much flak on fabul, presumably for failing leves so often. The kicker is that I don't run the LS in a way that's exclusionary to anyone. (Almost) Anyone can join my LS, and everyone in the LS is invited to the leve runs regardless of whether or not they have the leves, we stop at each leve desk in order for folks to get the fail leves that they might be missing.

i do not run the LS im in but i do form many or the leve groups and i also allow anyone to join that is friend/acquaintance of mine. I also will do the bw3 and still grab the additional 3 that are offered and run them also. And even if it is the devilet inside with no links ill still run it. But many groups do exclude people that dont have bw3 cause thats all they run. I joined a JP group last week and it was bw3 in and out, no messing around.

[Molly_Millions]

The presumption is hilarious.

I find it interesting anytime someone says something negative it is based on jealousy or an inability to do "something". Seems to be the calling card of so many people unable to argue merits rather then relying on emotion.

What other reason could there be? I'm asking in earnest, because how does my leve failing have anything to do with anyone that's not in my party?

[Vackashken]

What other reason could there be? I'm asking in earnest, because how does my leve failing have anything to do with anyone that's not in my party?

Are you asking me as a fellow poster in general or as a fellow Fabulian?

[syntaxlies]

The presumption is hilarious.

I find it interesting anytime someone says something negative it is based on jealousy or an inability to do "something". Seems to be the calling card of so many people unable to argue merits rather then relying on emotion.

also, notice i write "some people" would you argue that there is not one person out there that this blanket statement would cover.

[TheVedis]

What other reason could there be? I'm asking in earnest, because how does my leve failing have anything to do with anyone that's not in my party?

and it is the reason too

why else would people be arguing about exclusion(alot of them are)

the other half of it argues the morality of it

[Molly_Millions]

i do not run the LS im in but i do form many or the leve groups and i also allow anyone to join that is friend/acquaintance of mine. I also will do the bw3 and still grab the additional 3 that are offered and run them also. And even if it is the devilet inside with no links ill still run it. But many groups do exclude people that dont have bw3 cause thats all they run. I joined a JP group last week and it was bw3 in and out, no messing around.

I can see the reason for hating on groups that do operate in an exclusionary manner, but for those that don't such as Abaddon, it doesn't make any sense.

[Molly_Millions]

Are you asking me as a fellow poster in general or as a fellow Fabulian?

Well, both I suppose.

[Vackashken]

Well, both I suppose.

Fair enough, I'll speak with utmost veracity then.

As I stated to you before under more heated circumstances I "nothing you". Yes, it was meant to be cutting in part but it was also the truth summed up into a tight package. The truth is in the sense of I don't care what you or any other LS does on Fabul or any server. I don't say that in the sense of spite but rather I am a person who is very much a live and let live kind of guy as long as it doesn't effect me. I don't want to mess with people - it makes our server look petty and bad. So what you do with your LS doesn't bother me all that much. Why would it? We don't ever interact as far as I am aware. This is why, last time you and I argued I asked you, I asked you to show me where I had ever said a negative thing about you or Abbadon publicly. I hadn't because, as aforementioned, I don't care all that much.

In essence I can kind of speak for others (others being several other LSes on Fabul) that Abaddon isn't liked not because of anything other then you are seen as an arrogant (fill in what word you like). Not because of this bizarre blip in the system. Again, I am not taking a shot at you - I am in earnest telling you why. It has nothing or very little to do with the leve run failing system. Frankly, anyone can do it and many people had been doing it since IC stumbled upon it (which is who I was referencing last time). Theres nothing exclusive there in a good or bad way.

Generally speaking I don't like it because its very simple to me. It's rewarding failure and it shouldn't be there. People are going to do whats the fastest and most efficient. You can't blame a person for that. Hell, I have even started to try it after getting 3 battle jobs to 50 "the old fashion" way. Yet still, I want it gone. I simply do not like the idea of rewarding failure. Its a simplistic view for me (and a simplistic argument) and wish it gone. The game is too easy and getting to 50 is absurdly easy like this. I want challenge and a feel of accomplishment and unless they start changing things from how cozy it is now to something worth a damn the game will never truly pick up.

Thats my opinion in short.