PLEASE, stop teaching/telling new healers to DPS

[Alice_89th]

I won't tell any new healers to dps, but if I meet a healer in ,say, AK who doesn't dps I'll admit I get slightly annoyed.
I'm not even asking you to go into cleric stance, I'd be happy with just a few Aero's. But seeing someone stand there doing nothing at all is just depressing.

[lxSch]

Sometimes "stunt" is safer. For instance in wp it's safer to gather 2 grps before last boss, go cleric stance, spam holy and top tank with benediction once his hp is low enough than risk a tonberry stalker's visit.

You don't have to speed run to avoid the stalker, people with exp can slow run WP safely and completely avoid it. Making pulls is tanker job, not DPS/Healer, and using Holy is not a stunt - it stuns adds and works as an extra mitigation cooldown for large pulls (4s+2s+1s+interrupt) and you do not need to enter CS for it (same as Shadow Flare for SCH).

[Jitenshazuki]

Making pulls is tanker job, not DPS/Healer, and using Holy is not a stunt - it stuns adds and works as an extra mitigation cooldown for large pulls (4s+2s+1s+interrupt) and you do not need to enter CS for it (same as Shadow Flare for SCH).

You do need to enter CS if you want to help undergeared dps and that's the main point of this. "Stunt" here comes from using bene from CS. And I don't know where have you read that I'm suggesting pulling by anyone except the tank.

Examples when you often have to DPS with holy include: plumes on Garuda EX, slime boss in WP (to dispatch adds), last morbol boss in Aurum Vale (to kill seeds) etc. Sometimes you do need to dps to make things easy... but apart from that I see little merit in a dpsing healer. Even your example with stunning... it's nice but it doesn't really worth the mp if you disregard the dps factor.

[lxSch]

You do need to enter CS if you want to help undergeared dps and that's the main point of this. "Stunt" here comes from using bene from CS. And I don't know where have you read that I'm suggesting pulling by anyone except the tank.

Examples when you often have to DPS with holy include: plumes on Garuda EX, slime boss in WP (to dispatch adds), last morbol boss in Aurum Vale (to kill seeds) etc. Sometimes you do need to dps to make things easy... but apart from that I see little merit in a dpsing healer. Even your example with stunning... it's nice but it doesn't really worth the mp if you disregard the dps factor.

I think i defined the "stunt" clearly before, i do not know why you keep referring to me with this term but using own definition. Since you quoted me talking about the healer/dps making the pull - i thought you meant this, but we both agree it's tanker's job to pull (not dps or healer).
Since you are a lv50 - it is weird to hear about dpsing in endgame without the CS (just try to do tribe dailies on WHM without the CS). Again it's weird to hear about the MP issue - it qualifies very fresh healers. I have issues with unpredicted spiky damage, but never MP.
P.S.: so tired of argue-happy people - i just state my opinion/experience for people who may find it useful, i do not understand why people who don't agree with me bother replying. If something i said was not useful for you - just ignore it: everyone have a personal opinion and you cannot change that.

[Jitenshazuki]

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Objectively speaking there are cases when a dpsing healer makes things safer and I just wanted to point out that for you and for other healers reading this thread. I definitely agree with your safety-first stance.

It's really annoying when WHMs don't know when they are expected to holy. Also, while I stopped playing with WHM at ilvl80 and only cleared T4 and Garuda EX with the class something tells me (maybe your DL-wearing avatar) that I might have a bit more experience than you which I wanted to share and which you can ignore if it's not useful to you, but there're other readers which hopefully will dps with when needed and won't dps when it's not needed. And won't be afraid of grabbing aggro too much.

[Ghishlain]

I don't get why this argument is still going on.

A healer who DPS' during an instance =/= do not know or understand their role
A healer who doesn't DPS during an instance =/= they are a bad healer, they are a perfectly capable healer who doesn't go up and beyond their role in an instance

In the same token:

A healer who DPS in an instance can be a HORRENDOUS healer because they have tunnel vision about their DPS and forget to, you know, heal. These are incredibly bad healer, but you cannot generalize all healers that DPS in an instance in this category. That's factually false. Some of us know how to balance the two properly and play both effectively.

A healer who doesn't DPS in an instance isn't a horrendous healer either. They are doing the role given to them and doing it effectively and efficiently. Can they give added value to the party by DPSing? Sure, of course, but this is their designated role in a standard DF setup and should be their first priority. Anything BEYOND that is supposed to be beyond their scope.

The key thing about a healer is to have the situational awareness and adaptability to determine what is the best course of action for them. Make decisions based on the composition you get, whether it be a static, shout PUG, or DF PUG, etc.

[Jitenshazuki]

A healer who doesn't DPS in an instance isn't a horrendous healer either.

Not when your party lacks aoe dps and you need to kill plumes or seeds or whatever fast.

The key thing about a healer is to have the situational awareness and adaptability to determine what is the best course of action for them. Make decisions based on the composition you get, whether it be a static, shout PUG, or DF PUG, etc.

This.

[givemeraptors]

Not when your party lacks aoe dps and you need to kill plumes or seeds or whatever fast.

Every DPS class has some form of AOE damage (some better than others, but unless you have two/four monk...) and I don't know if you realize but Holy costs a ridiculous amount of MP. Without a Bard to help out, WHMs can't just run around spamming Holy at the drop of a hat. Put the responsibility where it belongs, with the DPS, instead of trying to put it elsewhere.

I will never understand this forum mentality that continually refuses to acknowledge the importance and responsibility of DPS roles but then comes around insisting that healers should be DPSing to make everyone's life easier, thereby validating the importance of good DPS...

[Jamez82]

I don't main a healer but have a 50 whm at ilvl73 and in even the new HM's I have absolutely no issues healing to the point if I don't help dps I get bored.

This can be dependent on the skill of the group, of course but on average this is the case.

[Ghishlain]

Not when your party lacks aoe dps and you need to kill plumes or seeds or whatever fast.

Fights are tuned to be able to be cleared at XX ilvl. If your DPS are at that ilvl, they should be able overcome all mechanics, including add spawns, in the time frame given. Though some fights are tuned better than others, this should be a general case. If your DPS cannot handle these hurdles without the additional DPS from a WHM, then the fault is squarely on your DPS, not on the healer.

Does this mean a WHM spamming Holy in AoE situations isn't beneficial? No, because spamming Holy allows your DPS to get back onto the boss quicker and unload their more potent single target abilities sooner. However, this is value added by your healer, gravy to the gravy train that is the healer package.