whoa... haha

[RyuDragnier]

So after months of bitching about not having content, needing more hardcore grinds to get stuff, etc, many users;

A) bitch about not being able to do all the new content in 5 hours... seriously.

b) bitch content is too much of a grind even though same peeps complained everything is too simple and just handed away before.

c) bitch some more, possibly about anything and everything

My advice it just quit the game already, you will never be happy

My only problem is with Step 1 of the Zodiac thing...the RNG FATEs. Step 2 requires buying a book, and completing all objectives within, which could probably take 2-3 days. You have to do that 9 times, meaning it'd take at least a month to complete all that. Step 2 is a way better version of doing it than Step 1 due to it being skill based, and I encourage more of Step 2...but Step 1's RNG can be dropped like a rock, there's a reason people don't like it (it's luck based, 'nuff said).

[Sunarie]

My only problem is with Step 1 of the Zodiac thing...the RNG FATEs. Step 2 requires buying a book, and completing all objectives within, which could probably take 2-3 days. You have to do that 9 times, meaning it'd take at least a month to complete all that. Step 2 is a way better version of doing it than Step 1 due to it being skill based, and I encourage more of Step 2...but Step 1's RNG can be dropped like a rock, there's a reason people don't like it (it's luck based, 'nuff said).

So much this.

[GerMagic]

My only problem is with Step 1 of the Zodiac thing...the RNG FATEs. Step 2 requires buying a book, and completing all objectives within, which could probably take 2-3 days. You have to do that 9 times, meaning it'd take at least a month to complete all that. Step 2 is a way better version of doing it than Step 1 due to it being skill based, and I encourage more of Step 2...but Step 1's RNG can be dropped like a rock, there's a reason people don't like it (it's luck based, 'nuff said).

Yeah, because you're forced to get the Weapon for all classes. *sigh*

Content is generally not geared to be played infinite times (see: Wow Daily Quests, that you needed to complete like 200 each day, if you intended to do them with every class. It's not even possible really^^).


I understand this is not the absolute most fun, but to me it's interesting. "How much WORK (yes, it's not fun, but work) do I have to put in if I want that weapon?" and "How long can I wait?". I personally will probably take a few weeks for the FATEs on my main, and probably much much longer for 2nd/3rd one, and I'm fairly sure I won't bother doing it with every class, because for me it's not worth it. For others it might. Just do what YOU want to do/achieve. It's not like farming Coil 500 times would be more fun than doing the same FATEs over.^^

[Sunarie]

I understand this is not the absolute most fun, but to me it's interesting. "How much WORK (yes, it's not fun, but work) do I have to put in if I want that weapon?" and "How long can I wait?". I personally will probably take a few weeks for the FATEs on my main, and probably much much longer for 2nd/3rd one, and I'm fairly sure I won't bother doing it with every class, because for me it's not worth it. For others it might. Just do what YOU want to do/achieve. It's not like farming Coil 500 times would be more fun than doing the same FATEs over.^^

A ton of people who hate the FATE system, still love things that take a while to get. In fact, the person you quoted actually said he liked the Step 2 part of the quest. Which is going to take a lot longer, and be a lot more involved than the FATE portion. I have no problem with work at all. FATE grinding though, is not work. It's tedious, yes, and not fun.. but that doesn't automatically make it work. Work (to me) is difficult and requires you to pay attention, not just something being time consuming. FATE grinding does not require me to pay attention, and it is not difficult. It reduces me to tabbing out while waiting, then running into an area and hitting a whooping one button. Sometimes a whole -two- buttons. I could even do it without looking at my screen and it most certainly doesn't require any sort of coordination.

[skaterger]

A ton of people who hate the FATE system, still love things that take a while to get. In fact, the person you quoted actually said he liked the Step 2 part of the quest. Which is going to take a lot longer, and be a lot more involved than the FATE portion. I have no problem with work at all. FATE grinding though, is not work. It's tedious, yes, and not fun.. but that doesn't automatically make it work. Work (to me) is difficult and requires you to pay attention, not just something being time consuming. FATE grinding does not require me to pay attention, and it is not difficult. It reduces me to tabbing out while waiting, then running into an area and hitting a whooping one button. Sometimes a whole -two- buttons. I could even do it without looking at my screen and it most certainly doesn't require any sort of coordination.

I don't deny fate grinding is excrutiatingly mind numbing, but what alternative would you suggest that also includes "work"? Going down the same path as 2.1? Kill XX of mobs, run the new dungeons, run levi hm? That would be too easy (I killed her on my first attempt). Or how about killing primal ex instead? Oh wait they already have that it gives you the same ilvl weapon.

If you say that 13500 myth tomes is better than 12 atmas, assuming 45 myth per run (most efficient dungeon), that is exactly 300 runs of any of the new hm dungeons/AT. And is 300 runs of the same dungeon not a grind as well? Somehow I have a feeling I will get the atmas faster than farming the tomes even with the atrocious drop rates.

I don't see any other way they can go about the relic quest line, aside from creating a totally new quest line that is specifically for the relic (new dungeon, new boss, etc), which obviously I would prefer.

[Ghasto]

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These could have been new, unique boss FATEs, each of its own zodiac sign, that actually would have been fine, the fact that we're running level 5 FATEs for our i90 weapons in March 2014 is what pisses me off about this, we've already done this shit enough to get sick of it.
It makes absolutely no sense as to why these Atma's can be gotten from any FATE in the zone either from a story perspective, it's just a terribly lazy way to keep people "busy" (spamming flash/other aoe and tabbing out).

[Skyl1n3]

These could have been new, unique boss FATEs, each of its own zodiac sign.

This.

I assumed this was the FATE's the Zodiac Quest was talking about until I learned they drops from ANY random FATE in the specific location.

Granted it makes it harder to gather them all in quick succession if they drop at a very low rate in any random FATE but it just makes it... tiring.

[Sunarie]

snip cause character limit

I would actually prefer running dungeons to Fate grinds. I would prefer killing x number of mobs to Fate grinds. The Fates may not be so bad if it wasn't the same exact ones we've been doing for ages. Heck I would even prefer something that said "do this Fate x number of times" if we -have- to do the same old Fates. I am not saying there can't be a grind, or I don't want a grind. I am saying I don't want to grind Fates endlessly with no real end in sight. Yes, I would rather grind dungeons than Fates. I would rather grind something that takes a coordinated group effort so players actually have to group up and converse. I am actually completely and totally find with everything after the Fate RNG that I've seen so far. There is some medium to be had where things are not so difficult that less skilled players can't complete them, and something where you literally don't have to pay attention at all to what you're doing beyond running to a generalized area and spamming one button.