Men in Dresses

[Odett]

also I think you're the one who has issues, why can't you accept that we don't wanna see it? Nope its gotta be a grand scheme or something diabolical it cant be just normal that we don't wanna see it nooo its the work of the devil himself.

that my friend is a issue.

Hey, guess what? Not accepting your intolerance does not make me intolerant. You not wanting to see a male character in a dress should not strip those of the choice to freely express themselves.

I personally do not care about wearing a dress on my male character, but I think everyone should have the freedom to if that is what they desire.

[ApolloGenX]

Hey, guess what? Not accepting your intolerance does not make me intolerant. You not wanting to see a male character in a dress should not strip those of the choice to freely express themselves.

I personally do not care about wearing a dress on my male character, but I think everyone should have the freedom to if that is what they desire.

I am not personally interested in wearing dresses... but this very "localized" idea of "normal" has led me to believe that there is a greater chance of some kind of sensual tentacle creature showing up in game before I can even create an anatomically representative male character, instead of a Ken Doll.

[Eggnook24]

Good lord, this thread is still active? Can't we find something more interesting to argue about? I think too many of you are imprinting yourselves on a video game character. Move on.

[Odett]

Good lord, this thread is still active? Can't we find something more interesting to argue about? I think too many of you are imprinting yourselves on a video game character. Move on.

I find these kinds of posts rather strange because by choosing to not add anything worthwhile to a discussion, your post only serves to make this thread bigger with its null message.

This issue is important to people, maybe not to you and many others, but what you deem as unimportant does not diminish its value to the ones it matters to. Telling others to move on about a subject you personally don't care about is pretty rude. At the very least, let's be courteous.

[Odett]

I am not personally interested in wearing dresses... but this very "localized" idea of "normal" has led me to believe that there is a greater chance of some kind of sensual tentacle creature showing up in game before I can even create an anatomically representative male character, instead of a Ken Doll.

Yeah, we have to remember that this game takes place in a medieval setting, which included elves, cat people, and magi-technology. We can't possibly break immersion by giving male characters the option to wear a dress.

On a completely unrelated and joking note, I am not opposed to the idea of playing a sensual soulflayer

[Mhaeric]

Sorry I don't agree like I said before, if he wanted to wear a dress then he should of chose a female character.

Devs have the right to say no like everyone else does, I find it funny that people want to be accepted and they are but when someone says to them No they can't accept that and throw a huge tantrum like a little kid who begs for candy and doesn't get what they want and kicks and screams on the floor.

It has nothing to do with discrimination or that they are against gays or cross dressers, they just don't allow it in their game and you need to accept that if you believe in equal rights simple as that. because if you don't then your equal rights crap you talk about is a lie how can it be equal if you get everything you wanted and others do not serious.

Claiming that it's not equal because you don't get your way when it comes to being able to discriminate against someone is not a sound principle to base your argument on. Equal rights does not mean everyone gets everything their way all the time. It means everyone has the freedom to live as who they are openly without discrimination, with full access to the same rights that every one else has access to. Disallowing someone to be able to do something because of who they are or disallowing because it's not something you agree with is not such a right. It's not a right of any kind at all, in fact. People have a right to think that something is not right, and even express that belief, but they don't have a right to actually make those thoughts a reality that disenfranchises others of actual rights.

Your statement that LGBT people want to get everything their way is also false, and shows your bias. We don't want everything to go our way all the time. We just want to be able to do everything that the majority is able to do in the manner that makes sense for us and be able to do it without facing discrimination.

For example, straight people can get married to each other in real life and in games with no questions asked, but gay people are denied being able to marry each other in both arenas on a daily basis. And even those who are able to be married continuously deal with people reacting poorly to their use of terms such as 'my husband' and 'my wife' to describe their significant others such as denying them services when they find out they are a same-sex couple. And more to the point of this thread, straight and cis people are able to dress in ways that match their identity without anyone batting an eyelash. But trans and gender-queer people have to deal with hostile stares and comments on a daily basis simply because their clothing and gender expression does not conform to what most people perceive as normal. And the number of trans people who are fired every year because of beginning their transition is staggering.

All we are asking for is that we be allowed to do these things in the first place and without being treated as less than when we are allowed to do them. None of this prevents others from being allowed to do these same things in a way consistent with their own identity. Us gaining our rights does not diminish your rights. It's not a zero sum equation. It's a boundless pool of equality. It is specifically for this reason that I know history will be on our side, and not those who wish to limit the rights of LGBT people.

[Mhaeric]

On a completely unrelated and joking note, I am not opposed to the idea of playing a sensual soulflayer

Well, you could run Tam-Tara Deepcroft and when you get to the boss turn off the game's sound and pipe some Barry White through your headphones to get this effect...

[HeroSamson]

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Okay answer this does a preacher have the right to say no to same sex marriage? simple question.

Then my second question does Square Enix have the right to say No to the dresses?

Do I have a right to my opinion or does your opinion the only one that matters, that's where you guys just don't get it.

Its Square Enix's world and in their world guys don't wear dresses who cares if bard wears pink ever hear of fight against cancer people wear pink all the time for it.

[HeroSamson]

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Sure they have the right to do what they want freely just not in this game, it cannot go one way 1 half says NO and of course the other half says yes.

Either way we will never see eye to eye and that's why it will never happen because of what I just said me which my way life goes on but your guys way you'll complain and call people names and tell SE they are heartless and that's what I meant about forcing the hand to get what you want even if you have to step on the ones who don't wanna see it. I don't care if you are gay have fun with that its not a issue but when you cant accept something I don't wanna see but I can accept you are gay I find it messed up.

[Gramul]

also I think you're the one who has issues, why can't you accept that we don't wanna see it? Nope its gotta be a grand scheme or something diabolical it cant be just normal that we don't wanna see it nooo its the work of the devil himself.

that my friend is a issue.

I didn't want to see jumping.
I didn't want to see glowing weapons.
I didn't want to see ridiculous Primal weapons.
I didn't want to see the new tutu armor.
Hell I'm not even big on seeing guys in frills and skirts.

But in the end it's no business of mine what other people choose to wear. What right do we have to enforce that kind of authority on others?