Over-healing should not generate extra threat

[Psychosamm]

If this happened healer would by far be the easiest class to play... Spamming heals requires absolutely no skill. No thank you, learn to play your class correctly, managing your threat is a huge part of being a healer. Also, your time could be better spent than standing there shooting off unnecessary heals, like maybe doing some damage? If you're unable to handle threat gen as a WHM, then maybe you should try SCH instead. (Or you know, don't be a healer if you can't handle it.)

[Dale]

If this happened healer would by far be the easiest class to play... Spamming heals requires absolutely no skill. No thank you, learn to play your class correctly, managing your threat is a huge part of being a healer. Also, your time could be better spent than standing there shooting off unnecessary heals, like maybe doing some damage? If you're unable to handle threat gen as a WHM, then maybe you should try SCH instead. (Or you know, don't be a healer if you can't handle it.)

Writing irritating posts that have no relation to anything I have said is waste of time too. But you still do it.

When did I ever say I shoot off unnecessary heals? When did I ever say I don't do any damage? You should spend your time reading posts before you respond to them with condescending trash like this. And at least do someone the courtesy of playing with them before you mock the way they play. I think people are entitled at least that common decency. Because believe it or not, reading my opinion that over-healing should not create extra threat doesn't make you an expert about me.

[Mazi]

Well if this is simply about Regen, stop putting on Regen when you know it is not going to wear off before the fight ends. <.<

In the event a tank pulls another pack mid pull its on him, otherwise it is incredibly easy to know when Regen is going to get its full use.

[Dale]

Well if this is simply about Regen, stop putting on Regen when you know it is not going to wear off before the fight ends. <.<

In the event a tank pulls another pack mid pull its on him, otherwise it is incredibly easy to know when Regen is going to get its full use.

No its not on him. It's on the silly mechanic. None of this should even be an issue.

This doesn't just happen with me either. When I run instances with my black mage I see it happen to plenty of other white mages too.

[Hyrist]

I find myself in contempt of this request.


First off, the practice of Pre-Regen a tank before combat is fool-hearty. I play all three roles (On separate characters.) And as a DPS, I do not engage monsters that are not tagged even on AoE compositions, in order to give the tank a moment to establish hate. There is no efficiency lost in following the exact same policy as a healer.

Wanting to alter the very mechanics of the game in order to accommodate your personal tastes is selfish, and willfully ignorant of the intent in the mechanics. As a Healer, they want you to balance the use of your heals, including your healing over time spells, against MP Efficiency and Hate Generation. To do that, a punishment mechanic for over-curing, even in Regen situations, had to be put in place else-wise Healers would be non-existent on the hate table unless something was incredibly wrong - there becomes absolutely no skill-check for healers.

I've been aggravated by Regen Tics securing hate on spawns or pulls before hate can be grasped by the tank. Eos in particular is horrible with Whispering Wind during Garuda Extreme (you can tell who's microing their skills in those situations.) But I don't want the mechanics changed just because I'm inconvenience. I alter my playstyle to compensate.

This is what you should do, rather than complain on the forums. Adaptation is part of the game.

[Alistaire]

My only hate in regards to this problem is regen. I can't count how many times a tank will grab hate from 1 mob in a pack of mobs and then all the mobs run at you cause of regen still healing a full hp tank.

Regen overall is a pretty ridiculous amount of hate; I think it's an overreaction to how little hate it generated in ffxi. Regardless, it's easy enough to work around.

Play another role

Or play SCH, who has nowhere near the concern WHM has at managing this.

[Dale]

I find myself in contempt of this request.

First off, the practice of Pre-Regen a tank before combat is fool-hearty..

OK, I am going to stop you here. And yes, your contempt (and others) is well documented at this point. Don't you worry about that. It's amazing the love you people have for your over-healing threat. You would think I was advocating taking away your very lives.

I never said I used regen before combat begins. The issue is when the tank rushes to do another pull while regen is still active. There is a difference. Again, you are assuming things that I never said so you can rant your ridiculous condescending diatribe at me. I guess as some attempt to puff yourself up at my expense. It's really the only reason I can think of.

And I hope you are the hyrist I used to play with on FF11. If so that vorpal blade I killed you with feels even better today ^^

[Alistaire]

It's not love for it; it's understanding how to work with it. And even if it didn't generate threat you'd be a bad healer for doing it.

[Jinko]

After coming from XI (a game where heals generated enmity in accordance to how much HP was actually healed, not by how much they would have healed; the former IMO is how it should be), I'm kind of surprised how many people here are against the OP.

To me it feels like an instance of lazy programming, but whatever.

I guess I would have to agree, also coming from other games besides FF11 its second nature to cast HOTs on the tank before they pull so for some it may just be a force of habit.

I can see it from both points of view though, I won't be surprised if this mechanic is changed in the future because it seems more like an over sight than working as intended.

[Dale]

It's not love for it; it's understanding how to work with it. And even if it didn't generate threat you'd be a bad healer for doing it.

Oh I disagree with you. There is definitely love involved. It's the only explanation. In fact, I imagine they have wet dreams at night when thinking of the precious threat their over-healing creates.

And yes, I know... I'm a bad healer because I use regen on the tank. Silly me. What on earth am I thinking.