1,000 reasons why Archer/Bard needs a non healer limit

[Steffie]

He's on to something, though. Yes, archer dual wielded but thats because archers are an offshoot of the rogue archetype. I could get behind ARC/BRD, not to mention Musketeer getting a limit break that involved continuous damage.

Reason why i use Unlimited Blade Works as a joke / suggestion. Yea feel like in the new expansion, they will probably got Musketeer and Scout i think so they could slap a new kind of limit break where it is a long steady damage instead of burst damage and give it to BRD, Musketeer and Scout.

Potential usages are in bosses fights where you just need a steady damage while the whole party is running around dodging stuffs, hell, if fight last long enough, you could let BRD LB at the start of the fight, and gather up enough LB for second use near the end for tank / dps / healers.

[Duelle]

I'm tired of hearing bards wanting to be more aggressive, you're maybe the most overpowered class in the entire game, you're needed in almost every endgame content and do really high dps for a SUPPORT CLASS

Bard is a DPS job with utility built in. Stop spreading misinformation based on bad role distribution.

BRD was fine back when the game launched. The ranged-only thing came from a) bad habits from FFXI, b) the fact that encounters tended to punish melee WAY more than ranged, and c) because dungeons and endgame were not structured in a way that encourages balanced raid comps. As far as being "needed", once interrupts (AKA BRD's real selling point) get spread out better you might see a shift.

The main issue still remains that physical ranged should have their own limit break. Even if you think it's not needed now, it will definitely be needed when ARC's second job gets implemented as well as when musketeer enters the game.

Reason why i use Unlimited Blade Works as a joke / suggestion. Yea feel like in the new expansion, they will probably got Musketeer and Scout i think so they could slap a new kind of limit break where it is a long steady damage instead of burst damage and give it to BRD, Musketeer and Scout.

Potential usages are in bosses fights where you just need a steady damage while the whole party is running around dodging stuffs, hell, if fight last long enough, you could let BRD LB at the start of the fight, and gather up enough LB for second use near the end for tank / dps / healers.

That's kind of what I'm thinking, too. Cast LB, LB would take effect over X seconds.

I originally wanted to suggest that ranged LB would be something like the shot the first boss of Pharos Sirius uses, but a frontal line attack would be less useful than the caster DPS LB and would still have to be weak compared to the melee DPS LB.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

BRD was fine back when the game launched.

Lol what.

Our static's BRD can outdamage our BLMs and DRG on Twintania, even after B4B changes.

Do not underestimate the ability to deal damage while moving. BRD before the "nerf" was definitely imba.

[silentwindfr]

But it wont be... They were thinking of a support role, which bard currently fits. So really this would just be preemptively putting in an LB for when they finish making other classes/jobs for that role.

i doubt the next class added will be a support class, more important, we don't know when they will add a new class. for now i found the bard to be to a decent place, if the bard player is not an idiot, he will be one of the last to die. no cast time for him attack, high mobility. the healer lb can save the ass of the team if the bard is clever.

finally as some have point it, you are more support than DD... if they was giving the bard a DD lb... no more melee will be taken in group exept for the few fight where the melee LB is needed.

[meldon90]

Bard is a DPS job with utility built in. Stop spreading misinformation based on bad role distribution.

Yeah! How stupid am I?! I'll use my mp and tp songs on my dragoon too! ... oh wait, i dont have any support ability on my dragoon!
Bard is different from any other dps class, and why? Because of its support abilities!
What should i call it?

[Sylve]

Bards that use their songs properly actually support the other players in the group. Limit Breaks aren't even required to clear any content at all. They make certain phases a lot easier to deal with, But those phases are not impossible without the Limit Break.

If you want to do a DD Limit Break, play a Job that performs it.

[Shai]

I main bard, and I can't tell you how many times I've saved a party with LB3.

Nothing like both Healers dying post-Heart in Titan X and still being able to pull off a win.
I'll keep the Healing LB. Thank you.

[Greed]

actually, why did they even give archer bard job instead of Ranger?

[Waeksyn]

First thing is to dispel this notion that Bard is not a damage class but a support class. They clearly are damage and a good one will be at or near the top damage output, especially in fights that require a lot of movement. Yes they have support, but so does Drg. Drg can increase piercing damage for party drg and brd FULL TIME. Brd can increase magic damage for the casters (which does the brd itself no good) and refresh but is limited by their MP and so cannot be buffing full time.


The brd limit break is at least as effective as when used by a healer. I've used it (rarely) to turn a loss into a win.

Brd limit break is, though, an awkward fit. Nothing else they do can heal or raise. Excluding brd, there are 2 jobs with tank LB, 2 jobs with melee LB, 2 jobs with caster LB and 2 jobs with healer LB. Brd is the odd man out. SE has chosen to awkwardly fit it into one of the others instead of making a unique LB. They should have included it with the melee given that the job is classed as DPS and not healing (ie, you can have an entire party without access to an offensive LB if all of your DPS are brds).

I'd like to see something unique. Not healing, damage mitigation or damage dealing. How about AOE stun (5 sec duration) + refresh + regen on party? Now that would be useful.

[Merle]

First thing is to dispel this notion that Bard is not a damage class but a support class. They clearly are damage and a good one will be at or near the top damage output, especially in fights that require a lot of movement. Yes they have support, but so does Drg. Drg can increase piercing damage for party drg and brd FULL TIME.

Mmmmmm from that point of view, i could say Monk is a support class too since they can decrease blunt resistance full time