Confirmation of Uncapped Raids. Confirmation of a terrible decision.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

My fav line in these threads is the dead horse line by Vedis:



hahaha I wanna ro-sham-bo this r30 content on my R50 in 2 weeks so I never have to do it again.

Yeah, he/she has been recycling this argument over and over while in many ways it was proved to him/her that this wasn't the case at all, proven by arguments with exemples. While his/her arguments are never founded by any exemple, they are just statements made out of the blue. But hey, some people are blinded by their stubborness.

[TheVedis]

Yeah, he/she has been recycling this argument over and over while in many ways it was proved to him/her that this wasn't the case at all, proven by arguments with exemples. While his/her arguments are never founded by any exemple, they are just statements made out of the blue. But hey, some people are blinded by their stubborness.

yes, ive been recylcing my comments
but isnt that what youve been doing

instead of addressing what i write, you avoid it and turn around and insult me instead, cuz thats what people who have no real counter point do, they insult the poster instead of of actualy discussing


as ive stated

if you dont care aobut how others play, which youve obviously said you dont, then why do you care that i wanna run it at 50 instead of 30, like you do?

why should i be forced to play it the way you want to?

you keep on avoiding this very important point i keep making

you keep saying its not about you, and what you want, but isnt making me play how you want exactly what you are doing?


i want people to have the freedom to play how they want, not to be forced to play how a select few people here want(it isnt as many as you think it is, forum goers are the most opinionated, people in game could care less about you capping the areas)

[Gath]

People actually care about R30 content? I smell baddies!
I'm better than all of you, also, my opinion has a larger carry than anybody else.
I radiate so much awesome that my 1 gil is worth more than your 1 gil.

[Kidkaze]

as ive stated

if you dont care aobut how others play, which youve obviously said you dont, then why do you care that i wanna run it at 50 instead of 30, like you do?

why should i be forced to play it the way you want to?

you keep on avoiding this very important point i keep making

you keep saying its not about you, and what you want, but isnt making me play how you want exactly what you are doing?


i want people to have the freedom to play how they want, not to be forced to play how a select few people here want(it isnt as many as you think it is, forum goers are the most opinionated, people in game could care less about you capping the areas)

Well, as you can tell from the number of posts that I have, I am not a forum dweller... and I want, not just the r30 area, but the r50 area capped as well (for when level cap is increased), so your argument of people in game is clearly not merited.

Im not sure you grasp the understanding of what it meant when it is said that SE should cap the dungeons. People want the replayability factor and uncapping the dungeons limits the amount of "fun" players with every DoW/DoM (of which, there could be many, there could be few, who knows) above 25-30 has. Surely it cant be as much fun going into a r25 uncapped dungeon with a 50, a 47, 45 and a 40 and steamrolling through the content now, can it? However, going to the same r25 dungeon, where its capped (meaning that the r50, 47, 45 and 40 go in and are all scaled down to r25 in rank AND gear) enables everyone to enjoy themselves and not just the new players/players with only low level characters.

Honestly, why put up such a resistance to a concept like that?

[TheVedis]

Well, as you can tell from the number of posts that I have, I am not a forum dweller... and I want, not just the r30 area, but the r50 area capped as well (for when level cap is increased), so your argument of people in game is clearly not merited.

Im not sure you grasp the understanding of what it meant when it is said that SE should cap the dungeons. People want the replayability factor and uncapping the dungeons limits the amount of "fun" players with every DoW/DoM (of which, there could be many, there could be few, who knows) above 25-30 has. Surely it cant be as much fun going into a r25 uncapped dungeon with a 50, a 47, 45 and a 40 and steamrolling through the content now, can it? However, going to the same r25 dungeon, where its capped (meaning that the r50, 47, 45 and 40 go in and are all scaled down to r25 in rank AND gear) enables everyone to enjoy themselves and not just the new players/players with only low level characters.

Honestly, why put up such a resistance to a concept like that?

for the same reason that people put up resistance to anything
i believe in my cause

i believe that no one should restrict how i want to play, and thats exactly what this forced cap will do

i have no problem with people running a dungeon the way they want, but to tell others they have to run it in the same way or not run it at all...is wrong

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

Well, as you can tell from the number of posts that I have, I am not a forum dweller... and I want, not just the r30 area, but the r50 area capped as well (for when level cap is increased), so your argument of people in game is clearly not merited.

Im not sure you grasp the understanding of what it meant when it is said that SE should cap the dungeons. People want the replayability factor and uncapping the dungeons limits the amount of "fun" players with every DoW/DoM (of which, there could be many, there could be few, who knows) above 25-30 has. Surely it cant be as much fun going into a r25 uncapped dungeon with a 50, a 47, 45 and a 40 and steamrolling through the content now, can it? However, going to the same r25 dungeon, where its capped (meaning that the r50, 47, 45 and 40 go in and are all scaled down to r25 in rank AND gear) enables everyone to enjoy themselves and not just the new players/players with only low level characters.

Honestly, why put up such a resistance to a concept like that?

Because this is YOUR OPINION. One that I don't share. If the r30 dungeon is capped, I will likely run it just for the experience and then never touch it again. The only 'replayability' I am going to get from a r30 dungeon is if it is on farm status, much like the r30 NMs are in game now. If I have to spend 60 minutes each and every time I go to run the r30 just for the chance that I MIGHT get an 'ok' piece of r30 gear, their is no incentive for me to ever go back. It's a waste of time and effort at that point.

Now, if I cut that time in half by running as a r50, then I will go to that dungeon every chance I get. THAT is what I call replayability.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

Well, as you can tell from the number of posts that I have, I am not a forum dweller... and I want, not just the r30 area, but the r50 area capped as well (for when level cap is increased), so your argument of people in game is clearly not merited.

Im not sure you grasp the understanding of what it meant when it is said that SE should cap the dungeons. People want the replayability factor and uncapping the dungeons limits the amount of "fun" players with every DoW/DoM (of which, there could be many, there could be few, who knows) above 25-30 has. Surely it cant be as much fun going into a r25 uncapped dungeon with a 50, a 47, 45 and a 40 and steamrolling through the content now, can it? However, going to the same r25 dungeon, where its capped (meaning that the r50, 47, 45 and 40 go in and are all scaled down to r25 in rank AND gear) enables everyone to enjoy themselves and not just the new players/players with only low level characters.

Honestly, why put up such a resistance to a concept like that?

I think the best everyone can do here is just ignore him. He said what he had to say and keep repeating it for everytime anyone brings an argument so he brings nothing to the table and his argument is weak and was proven wrong many times.

[TheVedis]

I think the best everyone can do here is just ignore him. He said what he had to say and keep repeating it for everytime anyone brings an argument so he brings nothing to the table and his argument is weak and was proven wrong many times.

when your not willing to discuss, you ignore
sounds like your the one who has nothing to say

ive been saying ALOT of things that are perfectly valid and you side step every single one of them

[DurtiMonkeyToe]

I think the best everyone can do here is just ignore him. He said what he had to say and keep repeating it for everytime anyone brings an argument so he brings nothing to the table and his argument is weak and was proven wrong many times.

Which is exactly what the "PRO-CAPPED" side is doing too. That is all either side is doing. So far the numbers don't support our side but that doesn't mean we won't continue to not support the idea. All we can do is put forth as logical and compelling arguments as we can and try to make our points heard, even if they unpopular.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

Because this is YOUR OPINION. One that I don't share. If the r30 dungeon is capped, I will likely run it just for the experience and then never touch it again. The only 'replayability' I am going to get from a r30 dungeon is if it is on farm status, much like the r30 NMs are in game now. If I have to spend 60 minutes each and every time I go to run the r30 just for the chance that I MIGHT get an 'ok' piece of r30 gear, their is no incentive for me to ever go back. It's a waste of time and effort at that point.

Now, if I cut that time in half by running as a r50, then I will go to that dungeon every chance I get. THAT is what I call replayability.

Not wanting to put time and effort to gear up? That's called lazyness and spoiled kid syndrome. On a side note, maybe if it wasn't so damn easy to level up and the leveling process would be more like the FFXI days, spending time to get gears that would like you 10 level would be worth it. But even in FFXIV, if the gear (assuming there would be gears dropped in the dungeons but there are nothing confirming it) is BIS for the next 10-15 level, it would be stupid not to put time and effort to get it, and not capping them would just make getting them easy (unless you could not loot cross class gears?)

What if instead of dropping gears the dungeon would give reputation to a faction or currency drop to exhange for gears that could be relevant even at high level? Making them uncap just removes any type of development to those dungeons as opposed to capping them so that getting those items is fair to everyone.

Again, it comes down to what SE intends to do with those dungeons and their purpose... my guess right now is just a band-aid content to stop people from crying that there is nothing to do with no real purpose behind them. I hope I am wrong.