Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBiscuit View Post
Nobody complains about people who can make 8 characters per server as opposed to 1. Shouldn't that be pay to win? People with multiple accounts should be considered pay to win too right? People have extra character slots and extra accounts for things like more retainers.
Just on a personal note.. I think the "pay more for more characters" doesn't get complained about because it's seen as a discount and not something they're paying extra to get. The standard MMO fee gives you all the character slots, the reduced fee gives you one. I have definitely seen people complaining about multi-boxing (multiple accounts) being unfair.

All that being said, I don't think retainers are a "pay to win" mechanic, but I also do not approve of them being in there. The whole reason I prefer sub based games is to get access to everything (save for cosmetic stuff generally) with one fee. So that one person who's paying more doesn't get a step up regarding actual in game stuff. So far, the retainer doesn't do that.. but they easily could if SE decides to try and "promote" them.. by say, making the ventures stuff apply to those retainers too, so people who have paid can maybe get higher quality, or rare materials much quicker than those who have not. There is stuff I'm okay with being in a cash shop for a sub based game. Costumes, transfers, name changes, fantasia potions, even mounts or pets I don't truly have a problem with.. assuming the mounts are the same speed people have in game and all.

People having more time than me.. well. I don't care about that bit. They put in the work, they got the thing, they deserve it. If I put in the same amount of work, I can get the thing too.