Why mark targets?

[Bardo]

I don't mark targets on purpose because tanking is too easy with dps following marks.
It's much more exciting to actually try to keep hate off dps that are splitting targets.

Otherwise I'd probably fall asleep in most dungeons.
overpower flash overpower x4 invigorate overpower overpower *takes nap*

[Chiramu]

As a DPS I am frustrated with little to no targets because it slows down my dps, I have no idea which mob you will be moving onto next. So you stand there waiting for the tank to put the next mark on...

All you have to do is mark, 1 and 2, the packs are usually in groups of three.

[Bardo]

As a DPS I am frustrated with little to no targets because it slows down my dps, I have no idea which mob you will be moving onto next. So you stand there waiting for the tank to put the next mark on...

All you have to do is mark, 1 and 2, the packs are usually in groups of three.

OR, YOU could just mark them...

If you're too lazy to do it, then complaining when a tank doesn't is all kinds of hypocritical.

[kayuwoody]

OR, YOU could just mark them...

If you're too lazy to do it, then complaining when a tank doesn't is all kinds of hypocritical.

Er as the tank is usually leading the pace of a dungeon, I would not be surprised if many of them take offense when someone else starts marking mobs. "Dun tell me how to do mah job duhrrrr!" *ragequit*

[ThisIsMenchi]

It doesn't matter what your jobs is. It is your responsibility to do everything in your power to make a run successful. Marking helps a group more than it detracts. I will always mark every pull, whether I'm on my bard, my scholar, or my warrior. The only exception is if I'm on my bard/scholar and the tank asks me not to. I play on PC so I have more keybinds at my disposal. I created macros to mark 1-5, put them on a hotbar that I don't use and keep invisible, then keybind my NumPad 1-5 to the corresponding numbers. It makes marking so easy it'd be stupid not to do it. PS3 users, I'm sorry. I also have macros set up to target each of the icons. This game has some of the worst tab-targeting I have ever experienced in an MMO. But I can admit that most people probably won't have targeting macros, and so that's more a personal quip.

[ThisIsMenchi]

But to address the real point of this thread, the best you can do is ask that they maximize their DPS by DoTing everything. If they do not, then you've tried everything you can do. It's not the marks that are preventing them from applying their DoTs. It's a lack of knowledge, laziness, and/or unwillingness to change. In any case, you're not going to be able to change their stance no matter how much you talk at them.

I only see one decent argument refuting the efficiency of spreading DoTs versus single target focus, and that is the amount of DPS your healer can lend to the fight. Keeping the tank alive may not be an issue. But if mobs die faster, the healer can heal less, and that means more global cooldowns from the healer than can be devoted to DPS. Unfortunately that's not something you can math out easily. You'd have to form a 4-man group and apply both methods. But I don't think anyone cares enough to do that.

[Bardo]

Er as the tank is usually leading the pace of a dungeon, I would not be surprised if many of them take offense when someone else starts marking mobs. "Dun tell me how to do mah job duhrrrr!" *ragequit*

The tank makes pulls because it's WAY easier to pick up a group when you initiate the first attack.
But marking doesn't affect that. So you wouldn't be changing the pace. He's still setting the pace of pulls.

Obviously you wouldn't want to come in and start marking if the tank actually DID want to mark.
But if he goes several pulls and isn't doing it himself; it's not "telling him how to do his job", it's "doing some of his job for him". Which actually makes his job easier.
Why would a tank who is obviously too lazy to mark take offense when someone else makes his job easier?
The only way I can see a tank taking offense to a DD marking is if they came in right off the bat and just started marking everything before the tank even had a chance to.

If a tank wants to mark, let him.
If he doesn't, ask if he minds if you do.
If he doesn't want marks, then he's probably looking for a challenge so just give him a couple globals head start to pick everything up and then dps/aoe whatever you want.
If he doesn't want marks for whatever reason and can't hold aggro, you might as well just replace him because that's the mark of a bad/lazy tank.

[AlrikRouge]

Played Satasha last night as BLM in LL DF roulette. Healer DC'd before intro even done.

So me, ARC and GLA decided to go through while waiting for a new healer to join in.

Marked targets so I could sleep the ones not being hit, as no way to heal the tank.

Pretty epic getting through the whole dungeon without a healer and not wiping once. But if no marked targets, easily could have caused problems.

Actually shocked this thread keeps popping up with more debates.

I still think "why not?" every time I see the title.

[PurplePanther]

I've forever told people that I don't mind if people mark for me, because I never do it. I find it makes fights a little more interesting and it sort of shows how the group is too. Honestly, sometimes the groups I get through DF and Roulette pretty much give me the idea that it wouldn't matter anyway because they spam AOE like nothing else because everyone wants to speed run. If people are that desperate to get DPS IMMEDIATELY and not wait and see where the damage is going from the pull, then that's their problem.

(Also, I'm on console and targeting isn't ideal. It's either luck or time to mark them properly.) and admittedly, I'm lazy and have yet to make the shield throw targeting macro thing. I've never had a problem holding aggro, marking or not.

[OPneedNerfs]

With sufficient cc, having the healer add in attacks single target beats the healer having to dedicate 100% of their time ensuring the tank isnt dead. Healers have damage that is definitely worth more than the difference in 80 potency per gcd per dps.