Why mark targets?

[YuriRamona]

Am I missing something here? Going through Roulette, I've encountered many DPS who become very frustrated when I don't mark targets. This is especially annoying when they don't use AoE when we pull 3 or more targets, and focus down one at a time (subsequently risking pulling enmity).

Damage over time abilities (e.g. Fracture, Touch of Death, Venomous Bite) yield superior DPS, so it's ideal to apply every available DoT to every enemy (unless you're using AoE), at least once at the start of each pull. Marking targets and using only single-target combos yields inferior damage.

Of course, as the pull progresses, re-applying the DoTs may not always be the best idea (since DoTs usually take between 9-18 seconds to achieve efficiency).

This is especially true when we are level synced down to a dungeon that locks out the 3rd weaponskill in the combo (bringing the single-target rotation from average 210 DPS to about 170 DPS).

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Let's use BRD and DRG as case studies.

BRD options:
Heavy (150) + bonus critical chance for Straight Shot = about 180 potency
Venomous Bite = 100 initial potency + (35 x 6 [ticks over 18 seconds]) = 305 potency
Windbite = 60 initial potency + (45 x 6 [ticks over 18 seconds]) = 330 potency

DRG options:
True (150) + Vorpal (200) + Full (330) = average 226 potency
Phlebotomize: 170 initial + (25 x 6 [ticks over 18 seconds]) = 330 potency

Damage over time is simply better damage per global cooldown.

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I've only encountered a handful of DPS who will follow my suggestion when I ask that they apply DoTs to secondary targets.

The only exceptions to this that I can see are:

• The healer may fail to keep up with cures
• The tank is undergeared, inexperienced, or not dodging red-AoE attacks
• You're in a party with two melee and it's imperative to reduce the amount of dodging that needs to occur so that enemies stand still.

Has anyone else dealt with this before? What's the most effective way to get DPS to play their role to fit this style?

[baopee]

because people do not know how to read these

[Bridgeburner]

because people do not know how to read these

Because those aren't readable without manually clicking off to every target, which interferes with the ability to deliver skills on GCD to your primary target.

Also, your second graphic is actually showing the health bars of the enemies remaining on the field - not the threat. In the pic:

Top Shade Seeker is T; full health, full bar
Middle Shade Seeker is R; partial health gone, partial bar, to scale.
Bottom Shade SEeker is Q; full health, full bar
Clam is S; partial health, partial bar, to scale.

People like marks because many tanks don't Flash regularly enough to keep AOE threat established. No good DPS wants to overrun the tank.

[CyanDvai]

Also, your second graphic is actually showing the health bars of the enemies remaining on the field - not the threat. In the pic:

The health bar of the mobs in the pack is also a good indicator of which mob is being focused on, if you're on a mob with most of it's health and you see one whose health is draining faster, most likely all the other people in your group are attacking that one and you may want to consider switching.

[Langureion]

So this thread is about bad tank player or marking? O_o;

[Alistaire]

So this thread is about bad tank player or marking? O_o;

It can't be both?

[baopee]

Because those aren't readable without manually clicking off to every target, which interferes with the ability to deliver skills on GCD to your primary target.

Also, your second graphic is actually showing the health bars of the enemies remaining on the field - not the threat. In the pic:

Top Shade Seeker is T; full health, full bar
Middle Shade Seeker is R; partial health gone, partial bar, to scale.
Bottom Shade SEeker is Q; full health, full bar
Clam is S; partial health, partial bar, to scale.

People like marks because many tanks don't Flash regularly enough to keep AOE threat established. No good DPS wants to overrun the tank.

what i meant to show on the second picture was the enmity indicator, the bubbles before the HP bar of the mobs.

[Bridgeburner]

what i meant to show on the second picture was the enmity indicator, the bubbles before the HP bar of the mobs.

You can see the limits to the utility in this picture, too, though.

A solid red orb means you have threat, but by the time that orb changes to a red triangle, you're typically already losing the monster's focus.

Additionally, as demonstrated in this picture, you only get those floating health/threat indicators on enemies you've attacked. This picture shows the Princess and two Soldiers, but the threat/health indicators are only showing two of the three targets. (The person taking the photo has not interacted with/done damage to/established threat on the 3rd target, thus no indicator.)

... out of curiosity, why's the DPS fighting Soldiers in Cutter's Cry? Usually Heals secure aggro and sprint 'round the outside to let everybody focus the Princess down, no?

[Mailstrum]

Also, your second graphic is actually showing the health bars of the enemies remaining on the field - not the threat. In the pic:

actuallly his second picture does show threat Red yellow Green dots. If the Dots are green means you do not have agro.. if the dots are yellow that means you are getting close to pulling agro....and if they are red you have agro..... and they gradually change. So yellow doesnt go from bright yellow to red. It goes Yellow to yellow orange even darker yellow orange then red.

and they change shape as well for color blind people.

[warren-ragnarok]

Because those aren't readable without manually clicking off to every target, which interferes with the ability to deliver skills on GCD to your primary target.

Also, your second graphic is actually showing the health bars of the enemies remaining on the field - not the threat. In the pic

Those little markers to the LEFT of their HP is the enmity markers,

Oh and the reason for marking isnt just for enmity control, although thats usually the one thrown around most frequent, in cases of groups of 3-4 mobs (assuming tank isnt super geared) it tells the dps which to focus down, and by order of logic, mob dies, tank takes less damage, healer spams less, healer gets less enmity....and if the healer is poorly geared, healer wont oom as easily......
yes dots are effective, and may take down targets faster, but not all classes have easy to get to dots, and may have more soon with the same issue
green means little to no threat
yellow means medium
orange-red means alot of threat, danger of taking
flashing red means you got the HIGHEST threat

The more you know