2.2 Retainers via Microtransactions

[Susanoh]

I'll express my feelings about this to you.

I don't care if they give you the choice of having 1,2or3 retainers throw microtransaction or not.

Like I said people should cool down, really, it's allways drama here in the forums and meanwile in the game you have 500'000 guys who're playing without the need of going to the forums and cry.

Well obviously, the forums are the place for people to voice their opinions about this game. I may log in to the game to play, but I wouldn't start shouting in Limsa my grievances with the game, because it's not the place for it.

If you're that offended by the idea that people are going to voice their opinion about FFXIV related information on the FFXIV forums, I really don't know what to tell you.

[lorel]

If they go through with this I will unsub and I wont be back.

[Felis]

It's not any different, considering you have to pay a higher monthly sub to get access to more than one character. More money = more retainers in both cases.

Not with an legacy account
I also have 2 legacy accounts, thanks to buddy pass ^^
I created the 2nd account so I can farm gears for seals in Toto-Rak solo (it was 2-4 player dungeon during 1.0).
So i have 2 character on the main account, 1 character on the 2nd account = 6 retainer in total and I can send mails between them.

So, what can a payed retainer give a player what an extra character can't? Except an easier transfer of the items?

[Seif]

It's pretty easy to make 30k with 2 retainers by logging into the game for only 5 minutes/day. That's how I made my first millions without any spirit bonding stuff or time consuming endgame participation.

Also retainers will be usable for farming. There is no way not to see this as paying for power and efficiency. At the end of the day this retainer product is still created with your money and now it's being sold to you instead of inserted as content. This is wrongful use of our money as content is what we pay for in this game. SE is selling us because they assume it makes the game more fun to play and thus making this a desirable product. They are willingly using the subscription money to further dime and nickel their customers.

Extra retainers could easily be a 2-year sub reward or a reward for high level quest. It's neither of those and thus it has teft written all over it.

[SirSaber]

Well obviously, the forums are the place for people to voice their opinions about this game. I may log in to the game to play, but I wouldn't start shouting in Limsa my grievances with the game, because it's not the place for it.

If you're that offended by the idea that people are going to voice their opinion about FFXIV related information on the FFXIV forums, I really don't know what to tell you.

Offended ? Not at all, I was just saying that while 100 are crying in the forums 500'000 are playing the game without a problem in their minds.

I only dislike QQ, Gloom-Doom and Rage threads.
I do welcome constructive, clean and correct opinions/critism.

But those are so god damn rare in the forums ... it's just sad.

Also I might sound angry when I write but I'm never angry in forums actually.

Maybe I should use more smileys ?

I would, but all the deli's have closed now. Also, I don't think any of them sell that particular popsicle.

Well when I was a kid my mother used to put punch/soda into a plastic form and a wooden stick in it and leave it in the fridge to make me popsicles.

You could do that

[ClockworkSpectre]

When I read about this I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Having a cash shop for any items at all is walking a fine line, if they limited it to things like fantasias, I think i could deal with it. But, if they start adding what are basically P2W features like extra retainers that are only available through paying real money, that is just bullshit. I also get the impression Yoshi sees this game going F2P some day and if that is the case I'm gone. One of the reasons I was drawn to this game is that it is a subscription based game.

[Susanoh]

Offended ? Not at all, I was just saying that while 100 are crying in the forums 500'000 are playing the game without a problem in their minds.

I only dislike QQ, Gloom-Doom and Rage threads.
I do welcome constructive, clean and correct opinions/critism.

But those are so god damn rare in the forums ... it's just sad.

Also I might sound angry when I write but I'm never angry in forums actually.

Maybe I should use more smileys ?

lol, don't worry about it. It just seemed as though you were against people voicing their negative opinions in the post I quoted. Personally I think people voicing negative opinions can be a good thing at times. In some cases it can actually shift the course of a product (example: Xbox One).

Most likely nothing will come of this discussion, but if enough people were to complain, and SE decided to change their course of action and refrain from offering their future bonuses through microtransactions in order to keep their user base happy, I doubt too many would complain.

[chococo]

I'm sorry to disagree with a so much liked post, but the definition of P2W is totally different.

P2W is when you can get features giving advantages in game that none else can get without accessing the cash shop.

The hired shop retainers will give you access to items you can get in game, so there is no pay to win, but (maybe?) a shortage of time needed to get the items.

TL;DR: Have a way to get items faster is not a pay to win.

It is likely that retainers get dispatched for their ventures, meaning there will be no input from the player during the dispatch period. This is effectively pay for more mules to get more items with no effort, which is a form of P2W, albeit the "win" in this case isn't something so significant.

[Shneibel]

In my case, I keep all the primal weapons, relic & primal EM and CT gear and my other retainer is keeping materials for crafting. So dont mind at all. I am running out of space on both retainer soon if I cant hire more retainer.

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that, I am not sure since the crafting is technical useless in this game as we speak, and the FC who have housing have more or less multi lvl 50 craft and gathering so they can even farm stuff themself even w/o the retainer. So have like 5-6 retainer farm mats for you doesnt really feel like a pay to win for me cos you didnt really win anything or have any big advantage.

[chococo]

In my case, I keep all the primal weapons, relic & primal EM and CT gear and my other retainer is keeping materials for crafting. So dont mind at all. I am running out of space on both retainer soon if I cant hire more retainer.



that, I am not sure since the crafting is technical useless in this game as we speak, and the FC who have housing have more or less multi lvl 50 craft and gathering so they can even farm stuff themself even w/o the retainer. So have like 5-6 retainer farm mats for you doesnt really feel like a pay to win for me cos you didnt really win anything or have any big advantage.

The point is, you pay for retainers to gather for you, whereas otherwise you would need to put the effort yourselves.

It's like I can walk a block and get home vs. I'll ride a taxi to go home.