[Idea/Suggestion] Improve the skills or traits.

[Gamemako]

I think it is an ass backwards way to look at things personally

That's really the best response you can come up with? Have you looked at the party finder lately? Can you imagine the immense clusterfuck the thing would be if another layer of vertical progression as OP suggests were added?

"i120+ PROs only must have cleared must show proof MUST HAVE ENHANCED SPIRITS WITHIN OR KICK no bads"

[Mcshiggs]

That's really the best response you can come up with? Have you looked at the party finder lately? Can you imagine the immense clusterfuck the thing would be if another layer of vertical progression as OP suggests were added?

"i120+ PROs only must have cleared must show proof MUST HAVE ENHANCED SPIRITS WITHIN OR KICK no bads"

So you fear more words, and words typed in capital letters? I'm just saying I would like to see a way to advance my character past the gear treadmill, something that rewards you for the time you spent on that character/job, I just think their reason for not doing it, upsetting people that don't even play the game right now is BS.

[Sylve]

So you fear more words, and words typed in capital letters? I'm just saying I would like to see a way to advance my character past the gear treadmill, something that rewards you for the time you spent on that character/job, I just think their reason for not doing it, upsetting people that don't even play the game right now is BS.

I agree that we need some sideways progression. It just needs to not be in the form of straight up player power per hour spent grinding mobs in a little corner of the world.

There are other ways to do it, alternate stats to vary the playstyles within a Job. For example, I might like to go for Skill Speed and Crit gear on my Monk, since i like hitting fast and sharp. Perhaps someone else would prefer Determination and Accuracy, favoring massive slower hits that always connect.

Maybe even a modification to the Materia system to apply added effects to Skills and Traits.

No grinding needed, and you don't skew the power an old level 50 to a fresh 50.

Have a look in your local Party Finder for a BCB group that will take you at ilvl70, which is the same ilvl the world firsts of the early turns were done. Hell, i have trouble finding PF groups that accept my i77 Monk into Titan HM runs. It'd only get worse with another layer of progression based on time spent grinding.

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

I agree that we need some sideways progression. It just needs to not be in the form of straight up player power per hour spent grinding mobs in a little corner of the world. . .

Totally agree. Maybe job / class trainers could offer quests post lvl50 that offer different skill enhancements Maybe choose 5 out of 20 potential enhancements per class/job and can re-spec with myth tomes or something.

[Gamemako]

I'm just saying I would like to see a way to advance my character past the gear treadmill

So, you want to get off the vertical progression treadmill and on the vertical progression treadmill. Cool beans.

[Mcshiggs]

So, you want to get off the vertical progression treadmill and on the vertical progression treadmill. Cool beans.

I never said replace the current system, add to the current system. I want a reason to play more than a couple hours a week that rewards me with something more than trivial/useless vanity items. If that is vertical progression, that's fine, that is another form of progression, and another reason to log on and do something.