Current BiS will still be important after Patch 2.2

[Zumi]

Anyone who is serious about trying to get world/server firsts already has many people with all the crafts to 50. If they hit a brick wall in that stuff isn't mathmaticaly possible to beat, with old gear they would probably then craft all the ilvl 90 myth gear to be able to progress given the fact that any penta melded crafted i90 will be better then all current best in slots from 2.1.

[charlemagne]

I think there is an easy way to keep the current i80/90 gear relevant. Make it so the highest level materia or new desirable materia comes exclusively from them. The spiritbond rate on the high ilvl gear would need to be looked at carefully though, too slow and it just wouldn't be worth it.

[Radacci]

IMO BiS is BS. There's only a few occasions where there's a BiS, like Allagan weps, and that's debatable in some cases.
esp with accessories, there's multiple lv90 accessories for any slot; and from testing, most stats seem to affect your DPS, equally. So it actually doesn't matter what stat you go with.
And then there's the fact that acc is only needed in coil, so in there you need acc gear, outside not at all. so you have 2 different bis sets, depending on where you go, which invalidates the whole concept of *Best* in slot.
Then you can mix and match your gear, and use food, to boost either dps, or acc, as needed.


Skill and knowledge of the fight, is always king. gear is always among the least of your worries.
I seen ilv90 pt wipe on TitanHM, and i was top DPS, in ilv55.
If you don't know the fight, then your ilv don't matter, you're going to die regardless.
If you know the fight flawlessly, then your ilv don't matter, cause you'll survive everything anyway.
A skilled ilv75 person, will out-dps a crappy ilv90 player, and there's far to many crappy ilv90 players, who think their ilv can compensate for being a crappy player.

You can do T1-4 in mostly DL, and lv req for T6+ will probably be less than 80, but all the ppl in ilv90 will wipe a lot anyways, cause most of them suck, and wont figure out the new mechanics, for a few weeks anyway.
Wouldn't matter if SE gave everyone full C2 sets, everyone would wipe horribly either way.
Gear only matter if you're skilled player, and know exactly what you're doing.

i think you're overestimating C2 there's a lot of ppl that still haven't beaten T4, much less T5. and it's been out for 6 months.
6 months from now, 99% of players won't even have reached T6, unless they bought win.
so C2 isn't going to be any more difficult than C1.
C1 is really difficult, if you don't know what you're doing, and easy, if you know what you're doing.
C2 will be the same.

current bis will only be important if you plan on doing C2 through PF, since everyone will probably set lv req to 90, and as soon as they get a new piece, they will increase it, and demand excellent performance.
and even if you have ilv90, you'll get kicked out of the party, if you dont know what you're doing, or not improving quickly.

Anyone who is serious about trying to get world/server firsts already has many people with all the crafts to 50. If they hit a brick wall in that stuff isn't mathmaticaly possible to beat, with old gear they would probably then craft all the ilvl 90 myth gear to be able to progress given the fact that any penta melded crafted i90 will be better then all current best in slots from 2.1.

what makes you think you'll be able to meld ilv90 gear? that would invalidate all the other gear in the game. Even C2 would probably just be a small min/max upgrade, at best, unless it's ilv120 or something.

[Burritoboy]

Well said Radacci!!!!

[Bloodclaw]

Crafters, prepare yourself for one good day to make money before prices get smashed into the 0 profit realm.

Well I have to give you a QFT on this one.

[Craiger]

There is the possibly that they may not even make it sellable. I honestly find it rather hard to believe that they would allow ilv 90 to be tradable/sellable. Because that would just render all ilv 50-85 gear absolutely pointless.

And sooner or later, myth mats will become as low as philo mats.

Myth/Allagan will be the "new Darklight" in 2.2.... So in what way is ilvl90 crafted gear different from ilvl70 crafted gear right now ? CT wasn't there at release, just like the stepping stone for Turn 6-9 won't be here until 2.3 (CT 2.0)

ilvl70 gear right now is actually a lot better than Darklight too, and crafted ilvl90 gear will probably be better than Myth/Allagan.... Don't see how that's so bad.

If you have a fortune lying around, then by all means... Buy fully crafted ilvl90 gear. I will maybe get a piece, but no way I will spend all that money on gear which isn't needed for progressing.

[juniglee]

Nope. I went into Coil in full Darklight. Never had a problem.

I don't think anyone is underestimating the new Coil. If anything, you are overestimating content that has not even been released.

I guess we are all unprepared back in the ages of DL, because we weren't min-maxing our i70.

That is exactly what Myth is going to be in 2.2.

The importance of Myth BiS in 2.2 is equally as important as Darklight BiS in pre-2.2. Which is not important.

[juniglee]

I guess I'll just start telling new players that they don't need any ilv 70 gear then for coil, because it's not important.

Exactly so. Every dungeon gives you Myth as well, and there will be no limit to Myth stones. If anything, it will become the new minimum standard for 2.2 content.

Just like DL. Did it matter whether we used full DL, a mix of DL/crafted, or full crafted?

That wouldn't make the BiS useless. In fact, this would just prove how right I am! IF the accuracy requirement is 500, then your going to need EVERY BiS piece that boosts accuracy! I don't see how this would make BiS more useless. Because if the accuracy requirement goes up, then you need to try and get more yourself more accuracy! Sure, you won't max it out, but every little bit you boost will decrease the chance of missing.

BiS has been designed around getting to a certain accuracy cap. If the accuracy requirement changes, BiS in its entirety changes. BiS only works when all the other parts add up to give the maximal secondary stat (Parry for tank), but primarily maxing the primary stat (VIT for tank), and Accuracy up to a certain amount (current BiS is 473 for tanks).

[Synapse]

Enjoy the new age MMO, Vertical Progression.

Why stick with some old gear while you can have a shiny new one! with like +2 stats!



Vertical Progression defeats the whole "the current BiS will still be important even after the patch releases".

[Grembo]

It's like this: You don't go into coil just because you have full Darklight gear.You make baby steps into your advancement. So you'll probably save up a week or two first on myth gear, and then you would also want to get some CT gear before entering

Errr, back at launch all we had was our full DL sets ( CT wasn't available) and it was more than enough for t1 and t2. The progression in gear came from clearing those early turns and saving myth cap each week.

Right now the difference between a full i90 BiS set over any normal i90 set is nothing more than a bonus. The difference between either set won't halt progression or prevent entry to 2.2 content like Leviathan Ex and t6.

Don't forget our current BiS sets will most likely be quickly replaced in 2.2 as the i90 crafted sets with penta melds will easily beat any of our current sets on stats.