Couples geting the shaft on duty roulette

[KraggyKor]

Greetings,

Sorry to bump this thread, but I have additional information regarding the feature that will allow players to use pre-made parties in the duty roulette. The development team is currently working on this and they plan to address this in patch 2.3.

I just can't believe you're going through with this in light of the horrible queue times DPS already suffer, this will simply remove a huge number of potential tanks/healers from the DR system as they group up with their friends and still get the Tomes they're craving.

This is the only incentive those who consider an MMO means playing with a handful of 'friends' to leave their cosy little ghettos and play with the wider community, and you're removing it.

This is an asinine decision.

[illuminapanic]

Way not to readwhat I said. I am talking from a practical viewpoint i.e. empiric. It's simply what I have observed. Before roulette people (read: friends, couples etc) used to run dungeons together much more frequently. That is: farming together. They had the goal of obtaining their philo/myth so they teamed up and had a good time.

These days however with the roulette it is far more efficient to just do the solo daily high-lv roulette. Even if you don't do any other content that gives myth, simply doing the daily highlv roulette will get you capped. And this is exactly what people do: daily roulette and be done with it. The days of teaming up with your buddies/FC mates etc to farm philo/myth are -practically- (read: in actuality) over. Again, empiric statement.

You can talk all you want about SE not taking anything away but you are ignoring how human psychology works, people tend to take the path of least resistance. Yes I do want to run dungeons with people I know and I take every opportunity to do so (mostly running lowlv dungeons) but with the way things are, and heres the central argument: there simply is little to no reason to do so and it's also less efficient.

It's alreadybeen stated and proven that it is more efficient to run with your own group of friends than it is to roulette. WP has already been recorded as I think 8ish mins clear time. 8x3 = 24 mins. now 30 x 3 = 90 for myth tomes. You spent 24 minutes in WP with a group of friends to get what you would normally spend 30-60 mins in a roulette for IF you get Haukke HM or Copperbell HM. Now I will use Haukke HM as I've never speed ran copperbell. My fastest clear time with my group is 14-15 mins on Haukke HM for 50 myth. so around 30 mins for 100 myth which is more efficient than the 30-60/possible fail you will get with the roulette.

This isn't news. People in the thread have already stated that it's more efficient to run with a premade than it is the roulette. The only reason the bonus is there is because you run the risk of failing with random people. You can do the same thing as the roulette if you wish to, que for AK, WP, Haukke Hard, Copperbell Hard, Pharos, whatever you feel like and get the amount of myth that you would in a duty roulette. You will still obtain it faster with a premade.

With that said, you now want what's already easy to begin with to be even easier? You want the bonus rewards for whats already easy obtainable to you? Just because you and your friends refuse to play together, doesn't make it the fault of the roulette.

Anyways come 2.2, I doubt this will matter. The bonus rewards people go for are primarily myth tomes and with 2.2, it goes uncapped. I haven't read anything about them changing the rewards to the new tomes but who knows. I hope they do lower the rewards for premades on roulette though or else we'd probably end up back to square 1 with solo que's back to they're original que times.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Does this not just take away what it was set up for. I thought DR was there to help out other who haven't done these missions or not in groups. Rewarding people who help with bonuses.

[Sunah]

People always assume that "everyone" in the game will always be queuing up with friends. Remember there are people like me that have no friends! so we sadly have to queue solo. So quit crying and let it happen.

[CYoung187]

Way not to read what I said. I am talking from a practical viewpoint i.e. empiric. It's simply what I have observed. Before roulette people (read: friends, couples etc) used to run dungeons together much more frequently. That is: farming together. They had the goal of obtaining their philo/myth so they teamed up and had a good time.

These days however with the roulette it is far more efficient to just do the solo daily high-lv roulette. Even if you don't do any other content that gives myth, simply doing the daily highlv roulette will get you capped. And this is exactly what people do: daily roulette and be done with it. The days of teaming up with your buddies/FC mates etc to farm philo/myth are -practically- (read: in actuality) over. Again, empiric statement.

You can talk all you want about SE not taking anything away but you are ignoring how human psychology works, people tend to take the path of least resistance. Yes I do want to run dungeons with people I know and I take every opportunity to do so (mostly running lowlv dungeons) but with the way things are, and heres the central argument: there simply is little to no reason to do so and it's also less efficient.

Yes if your primary concern is being efficient, then doing the one roulette/day may be better. People have a choice, either slightly (very slightly) more efficient roulette or play with friends. Doesn't sound like such a terrible choice to make. Cap won't exist in 2.2 you can speed run dungeons with your pre-mades and get as many tombs as you want. Pre-roulette people ran with friends because it was the most efficient by far, not because they cared about being with their friends. Nothing forced that to change. If a couple minutes of efficiency is all it takes to make someone not play with friends, then it must not be that important to that them.

[Kewitt]

Well it looks like my hubby and I and stop payment again till 2.3.

[Eggnook24]

Hey all. Just wanted to say, well, IT'S A VIDEO GAME, NOT A DATE NIGHT TO THE MOVIES. There are a lot of people benefitting from the Duties, if you want some alone time, get a room.

[xanj]

this is what i imagine when se announces that something is going to be in 2.16 then 2.2 then 2.3 and their net code and or infrastructure choices

[Sadana]

I wish they would remove the current DR (and the future "go with the people you would usually go with" DR) and replace it with the "I am here to help new people" DR.

It really saddens me that so many new players are treated like shit and rushed through dungeons (no cut scenes, no map completion) because some endgame players wants to hurry and get their tomes.

Hell, disable cutscene skipping and give some super bonus if someone gets a map completion achievement.

[Galen_Malchome]

BS, it was to incentivize players to use the DF to help others completing story runs, that much you have correct. It was also to balance out the XP rewards for running at least 1 dungeon a day versus everyone FATE Farming to max level and making entire zones unplayable because of it.