The Party Finder Metagame

[Purrfectstorm]

Weekly kill group, 3 strikes party, experienced only. All these phrases that are meant to discourage inexperienced players from screwing up an experienced player's run, they don't work.

What's more, now I'm seeing inexperienced players make these parties themselves. Maybe they just want to do what the cool kids are doing, maybe they think it's the only way they can get anyone to join their group, or maybe they just flat out want to entice experienced players in so they can get a carry.

Whatever the reason, I think it's sensible to assume that any Party Finder group, regardless of what it says in the comments, is going to be just as random as groups you get in Duty Finder, only it will take longer to get a group because you can only pull from people on your world who check Party Finder.

You'll still get to make your own party composition though and you'll start to recognize the names of certain people and know whether they are good or bad players from past experiences.

Never mind that the terms "good" and "bad" can be highly situational, attributes you may have assigned a person because of: Internet issues they had on a particular day, distractions, and/or a lack of experience that they've since made up for. Now, thanks to Party Finder, you can forever exclude those players from your social circle, permanently writing them off for, perhaps temporary, issues they were having with their game play (and *gasp* there are other reasons to associate with people besides how good they are at a game).

Players who join groups claiming to be experienced may be misrepresenting their experience or the person who made the group could be running a con of their own. Still, it makes sense to get a bit annoyed if you join a group, expecting to play with those of an equal skill level, and cannot complete a fight after several wipes. Then the blame game ensues, people say mean things, parties break up, and no effort is expended.

Remember when you were leveling and you'd spend a couple hours on a fight? I spent a couple hours on Qarn! Well endgame, which is supposed to be the hardest content, has a different metagame - people want things quick and they want it easy. 2-3 wipes and the party disbands even if it took hours to form in Party Finder.

Hardcores want to play with hardcores, I get that; if you team with not-hardcores, you'll have a tougher time clearing content. I can understand not wanting that, but what I can't understand is hardcores saying casuals want stuff handed to them. Am I wrong that most players want content that is within their own personal comfort zone?

If a hardcore/elite/skilled (whatever you want to term it) player wants to one-shot a fight, isn't that also "wanting something handed to you"?

I'm not criticizing, I'm just trying to understand what to me sounds like a contradiction. I don't think casuals and hardcores are all that different. I think both groups want a challenge but one that they can eventually (with time and effort) clear. Does anyone want content that is too hard for them to ever clear (or might take years to clear)?

I think this is where conflicts arise. "Good" players want content to be challenging to them (and set aside that talent is not a fixed thing) and they're concerned that if it were made too easy, it would not be a challenge (i.e. fun) anymore. On the other hand, "bad" players don't want to be blocked from content forever either. This is the balance that SE must try to strike in order to please the most players.

Now coming back to the terms "good" and "bad" players, studies have shown that perseverance (a trait they refer to as "grit") plays more of a role in success than raw talent. So how do you think the Party Finder will shift the FFXIV metagame if the expectation is that Player X will either win, or they will not, and groups give up without learning to work together (which involves more than just watching a video and knowing a fight)? Is it possible that the formerly "bad" players will overtake the "good" by virtue of trying a fight hundreds of times instead of 2 or 3?

If there's one defining characteristic of what we typically refer to as "hardcore" players its that they're willing to devote a lot more time to a game than the "casuals." But in this metagame, they're spending most of that time sitting around in Party Finder, waiting for a dream team that may never materialize.

Maybe they're not so hardcore after all. I suppose it's something to ponder the next time you see a 3 strikes party in Party Finder.

[therpgfanatic]

I've only ever used Party Finder for FATE groups, dungeons that aren't in DF (Coil, relic dungeons) and Titan HM because there really isn't any point to having an offtank for that encounter but the DF forces it on you.

The worst thing about PF I've seen are people requiring i80-i85 gear for everything.

[Doo]

If a hardcore/elite/skilled (whatever you want to term it) player wants to one-shot a fight, isn't that also "wanting something handed to you"?

Nah that's just wanting everyone to pull their own weight.

[Provoke]

Just 1 shotted Titan extreme in a PF that was gear capped, 3 strike ruled and ifrit checked, it was pretty nice.

[ValkyrieL]

Titan Extreme PF: Must have clear, Must show me EX weapon/will Check with Ifrit EX queued.
If you are terrible if means u bought your weapon.

[CYoung187]

Titan Hard Mode, i80 required
Coil Turn 2 enrage mode, i85 required

That is the stuff that cracks me up. Screams "Just carry me"

[Dhex]

Either you can execute or you can't.

[Cherie]

I agree with you OP, especially when it comes to talk of perseverance and "grit" as you put it.

I really doubt *anyone* I play with would call me an exceptional player. But I have cleared all content in the game. And how did I do it? I just keep at it, that and I'm polite (most of the time).

I think that the term "hardcore" or "elite" is a misnomer. If there was a real thing as a elite/hardcore player, they would understand how to properly get people to work with them effectively. This isn't a solo game. Even the best player needs others. You could have a totally awesome player with perfect execution of all encounters, however if that same player is a jerk, they will not win as many fights as the person that can communicate responsibly with others but is inexperienced with the game in general.

So I guess what I'm saying is, for the people that are lying in Party finder, you are only hurting yourself. It's painfully obvious that these people don't know what to do if they haven't done it or even looked in to it. And the people that think they are "elite" you are really just experienced if even that, and even if there is a such thing as just being "elite", you still need others so play nice if you want to "win" (unless this was a one on one fighting game, then feel free to be a jerk and just beat everyone, but you won't win any friends that way!).

[Austratus]

Thank you, OP, for putting into words some of the thoughts about this matter that I've been considering.

The hardcores can be as authoritarian as they want, to throw numbers and the so-called correct way to use your job, but the ironic thing about "learn it yourself, it's not my responsibility" is that the only way anyone in this game is going to get through these dungeons and trials is to party up and do the thing.

It's intimidating, and it forces the "have-nots" into a corner, no matter how much experience or preparation they have-- to either "scam" their way through, or get nowhere by trying to be honest about it.

[Kimura410]

Yeah this annoys me to, but what are you going to do about it. you can't decide how others want to do a certain fight. thats what party finders all about. all you can do is simply start your own or not join theirs. I've seen it on both ends. I've one shotted ex primals in these 3 strike parties, and I've also been in really bad groups where the leader died every 5 seconds. i just accept it as the norm, don't really care either way, because i focused on finding an fc thats good enough to do this stuff with if it doesn't work out with pugs. if i couldn't find a good enough fc, id start my own. this is an mmo, its social. you can only solo so much. you need people in this game. plus in my experience, if you are skilled, people will want you in their fcs or statics. you'll be in demand. but yes, party finder really is no different than duty finder, aside from the fact that you can set requirements, and you can keep a mental note of people you play with