Community in this game is unbelievable.

[Alipoprocks]

You can't generalize an entire community based on your (or my) personal experiences alone. Additionally, if you're going to dismiss someone's negative experience in FFXI because they didn't have the right group of friends (FC/LS), then you should also do the same for this game.. and it ends up going back to you just need a good group of friends in any MMO. That's my point, which I'll keep parroting until people stop pretending communities have somehow degraded catastrophically, and everything use to be peachy keen.

I compare it to visiting New York City and then visiting Portland, Oregon. People are generally much different between the two, and you can easily make a general statement about them based on your impression.

[Bizniztyme]

I compare it to visiting New York City and then visiting Portland, Oregon. People are generally much different between the two, and you can easily make a general statement about them based on your impression.

People are different in every single city or state. You can make a general statement basically about any place you visit based on your experience, it doesnt make it true for someone else and that's what Sunarie is trying to convey to you.

[Sunarie]

People are different in every single city or state. You can make a general statement basically about any place you visit based on your experience, it doesnt make it true for someone else and that's what Sunarie is trying to convey to you.

This exactly.

@Alipoprocks You are also, once again, only using your own judgement and dismissing those that disagree. Even in your own example. You can't take a handful of the population you met while living in an area and use that to define what the area actually is... and you'd almost 100% be wrong if you're using that experience to judge the rest of the people in that state. Countries, States, Counties, and Towns can all be -vastly- different from each other. I assure you that my next door neighbor is vastly different from myself. That's where stereotypes come from that aren't right at all. There are some things that can be backed up by facts.. say statistically one area has a higher crime rate than another area, you could say living there was more dangerous. You couldn't assume most the people living in that area were criminals though, that'd likely be incorrect.

You also don't have any facts, or statistics, to back up any claim that one community is better than others. You can't say "well in FFXI only x% of all the players were kicked from parties while in FFXIV y% get kicked".. that survey has never been done. What you're doing is talking to a mostly like-minded set of people (those who like FF and liked FFXI) about your experiences, which are no doubt going to be similar. So of course you're going to find a lot of people to agree with you.. just like in my circle of friends, who mostly didn't like FFXI, our experiences are similar. That -still- doesn't make either one correct.

[Alipoprocks]

First of all, I didn't dismiss anyone or anything. I also don't need statistics to back up a subjective opinion or impression. I am not stating a fact and never said I was.

If you can't notice different attitudes from different cultures and areas, then that is being ignorant. I was mainly stating that I noticed a different attitude. I know I am not the only one.

[Sunarie]

First of all, I didn't dismiss anyone or anything. I also don't need statistics to back up a subjective opinion or impression. I am not stating a fact and never said I was.

If you can't notice different attitudes from different cultures and areas, then that is being ignorant. I was mainly stating that I noticed a different attitude. I know I am not the only one.

I have to disagree still. I would say it's more ignorant to try and classify an entire area into one culture or attitude rather than recognizing your experiences are yours alone, and people you interact with don't necessarily represent all of any group they may be a part of. Historically, lots of hate has actually been born out of such generalizations.

I say you're dismissing because you answered someone's negative experience with an excuse (they didn't join a LS/FC, placing blame on them and not the community, which is a tactic many use to invalidate someone else's experience and try to prove a point). Which is a way of dismissing it because it doesn't fit your own. The whole no facts thing may not have been at you specifically (I probably confused you with Synapse looking back, actually).. but I did mean it towards any folks that make the definitive statement of "FFXI's community was better because I personally didn't experience any, or experienced very little, negative".. that's a definitive statement, not an opinion, and it's backed by anecdotal evidence, which isn't really evidence at all, regardless of how many of your friends agree with you. If you didn't make such a statement, then I'm sorry that bit was aimed at you incorrectly.

[Alipoprocks]

I say you're dismissing because you answered someone's negative experience with an excuse (they didn't join a LS/FC, placing blame on them and not the community, which is a tactic many use to invalidate someone else's experience and try to prove a point).

Hahaha! I only answered THAT person that way because in the two years I played 1.0, that person was one of three people on my blacklist and I am familiar with that person. ;p

[Sunarie]

Hahaha! I only answered THAT person that way because in the two years I played 1.0, that person was one of three people on my blacklist and I am familiar with that person. ;p

Haha, goes to show generalizations are bad :P In my experience, people have been doing that without knowing the person they were saying it at (including them saying it at me). So I just made assumptions based on that. Apologies for giving you such a hard time.