Titan HM needs a change for those who can't devote all their time to this game.

[bokchoykn]

An alternative to beating Titan HM is not beating Titan HM.

This is an MMORPG. Your level of progression is related to the time/effort you put into the game and your skill level.

If you don't have your relic because you don't have time to play the game and you don't have "the reflexes of a cheetah", this is working exactly as intended. You're not meant to have the things you didn't earn.

[krazyrs]

reflexes are a lot slower since client/char update patch
go back and do titan hm in 2.0 when u had to pre-dodge everything
got my first 4-5 relics then

[Fynlar]

People who keep remarking how tanks have "nothing" to do in Titan HM either must be some pretty bad tanks, haven't actually tanked it, or have not experienced what most groups are like.

You still have to know the patterns just like everyone else should, even if you aren't dodging as many things, so that you know the best times to use your cooldowns, or you will get wrecked by MBs.

You have to know how/when to either dodge bombs or pop a CD and eat one, particularly post-heart when dodging bombs you shouldn't be will either end up with you taking two bombs or getting your group hit with RB.

Weight of the Land never pops under the tank? Yeah, if you try joining enough groups for this, I guarantee you eventually you'll get one that has 3 or more people dead post-heart, at which point you will have to start dodging those too.

Sure, maybe it's easier overall for them compared to other fights, but to say it's effortless for a tank just paints you as an inexperienced or bad tank tbh :<

[Alistaire]

Or maybe he doesn't find what you describe to make it count as "hard on the tank"?

Has it been brought up that you can easily find groups that will merc it in the range of 100-200k? Sure that's not ideal but it's not the end of the world. I got my first relic when I had really odd hours and ended up doing this just because getting a good df group (pre-party finder) was turning out to be more effort than just mercing it. I did pay more than 200k but let's just say I paid about the value of 1 2-star item as it was going for at the time. I actually merc'd it after it unexpectedly sold really fast and just said hell with it, wasn't expecting that gil, don't need that gil, let's do this.

[MicahZerrshia]

After you get through HM titan a few times you'll realize it's not that bad.

This.

I thought this fight was the biggest and stupidest block possible. But what did I do? I persisted. I learned the mechanics and the patterns and now I can even do extreme with ease. Its not elitism or anything of that sort. But if you do not want to put any effort into getting this fight down then maybe you should move on. I also pugged this fight on 6 of my 7 relics and had only a few issues with ppl but you also need to understand that you wont always one shot it, sometimes you need to make a second party or even a third, but you will get it done sooner rather than later if you don't go in with an 'everyone sucks and so does this fight' attitude. Party finder is your friend here and seldom on our server do we have issues. Other than that all I can say is sorry but maybe this game isn't for you. You are indeed in the minority on this so its not a design flaw by any means. It is an mmo which by design isn't meant for instant gratification. And unlike what kids think these days, you don't get a trophy just for showing up, you need to actually earn it.

And if this fight is making you think about quitting the game? Well then you are definitely going to rage quit sooner rather than later when you get to the harder content. There is no need for a company to nerf a game down for ppl who will just up and leave at the first sign of difficulty.

[Fynlar]

After you get through HM titan a few times you'll realize it's not that bad.

Even before I got through Titan HM I didn't think the fight was that bad.

The quality of the other players you tend to get in this fight though? Hell no, that was bad before and I still think it's bad now.

[Alistaire]

Yeah even doing Garuda HM in df is often a nightmare. df is just a cesspool for anything past ifrit hm (and sometimes even that!)

[Ooshima]

Pretty much the elitist nonsense I was expecting.

The thing is for a lot of people the issues isn't them, its the other players. I have no issue tanking Titan, its damn easy for a tank tbh. However I have to rely on other people to dps him. That's my point.

How are what were said here elitist nonsense?

Of all honesty Titan HM is supposed to be a challenge. Wayyyy back then Titan HM was supposed to be the fight that made you work your arse to get your relic, but at the same time train you up for the even more difficult BC.

Like others have also mentioned, this is a MMORPG, not RPG. Titan HM isn't just your other battles before it where you can faceroll a little - it's a jump in skill progression, and the first real test of team coordination. I don't think it's a battle where you can simply clear it with a random pick of people. It requires coordination among the 8 of you. Those DF or PUGs that worked, worked because the 8 players are seasoned and well known their jobs and stuff, but to get 7 of them playing with you in a DF/PUG would be rather rare.

The issue is that people who beat Titan HM then refuse to help others by spouting the same nonsense you all have so now I am stuck with pugging in PF and only other relic hunters join.

Sorry but.. what's the reason for players who don't need relic to run Primal HMs at this point of time? Especially for strangers?

Be realistic. No one simply put up a PF ad all day long that says helping anyone to clear Primal HMs for relic. Every man for their own, own needs and FC above strangers definitely (especially when people don't even know if you are good and gonna waste their time). What you need is a good FC. There's nothing elitist about anyone who posted here.

[ImDingDing]

Relic is not a part of the main story. Back in 1.0 less than 5% of the player pool was able to get their relic before 2.0, why is this a problem?

[ImDingDing]

99% of the time they are right : their brain is lagging. "Oh, a plume under my feet, I'll move after my cast".

This, every time I saw someone /p sry, laaaaaaaaaaaag.
I was like "what do you expect when you q for this fight and know you r laaaaaaaaaaaag? free carry?" lol