People are bad at this game

[Rein-Yagami]

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Lol NO!

I ran Haukke HM yesterday with a Drg iLvl48, Blm iLvl48 and Sch iLvl50. I was running as a Paladin in iLvl70. Guess whut? No issues at all~ one close call on the first boss spawning a super skeleton and one badly placed swirling axe in Ash's fight~

We saved our Lb2 for final add and proceeded to victory.

I love it when people constantly blame the dps for everything~ A tank doesn't dodge dark mist and then eats Fire4 and lightning~ DPS's fault! A healer who chain-spammed Cure2 because CS~ DPS's fault we wiped!

[ColorOfSakura]

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Uh...did you read my post?

The DPSes were the problem in our fight, and it wasn't even that they were *bad* as a whole (they were at least smart enough to move out of AoEs and could down things decently fast.) They just didn't output the required damage to complete the final boss. I didn't say "LOL IT WAS THE DPS's FAULT". I said that they were at low iLvl gear and were having trouble burning down the adds in the Halicarnassus fight because they were. Halicarnassus is basically a floating DPS check.

Also, who blames the DPS all the time? Normally its the healers and tanks that get railed on for being "LOL SO BAD", the DPS is usually ignored because as long as they aren't eating every AoE known to man, its not generally apparent if they're not doing their class well unless they're failing DPS checks.

The Tank and I performed fine. I kept everyone healed up, used my procs when they came up and were viable, I helped with DPS when need be (so long as it didn't put my MP in a danger zone), used Regen and AoE heals when/if needed, and popped my cooldowns. Tank pulled and kept enemies held throughout the dungeon, moved Halicarnassus to where she needed to be to grab the next set of adds, popped cooldowns when necessary, etc.

So yeah, its possible that rather than the iLvl being too low to complete, the Tank and I just got stuck with bad DPSes (or a single bad DPS.) I don't know if that was exactly the case, but they weren't able to output the damage to beat her DPS check, so.

Still, considering I've heard a lot (and I mean a *lot*) of talk saying HM Hard should be pulled up in iLvl, I figured its not an isolated incident of just 'crappy players having a bad time.'

[Rein-Yagami]

Yup, where as I've experienced many a good HM HM run with low iLvl players. First run I ever did was DF'ed~ Everyone(myself included) didn't even breach iLvl 55 and were all running for the first time.

We wiped a grand total of.......twice~ both times to healer death on Blood Rain~

You're mistaking "Skilled players" with "I got the highest iLvl!"

I will forever choose to take a lower iLvl player that's skilled over an iLvl90 that is just facepalmingly awful.

iLvl requirements are fine the way they are. Want "sufficently" geared people for your run? Use the damn PF and set the requirement to 90 if you feel like it~