Top DPS in you t5 clearing groups?

[Sab]

What Classes do you see doing TOP DPS on all fights?

[NeoAmon]

What Classes do you see doing TOP DPS on all fights?

No job top dps in all fights thankfully. T1 it is usually the MNK or SMN, our MNK did 324 DPS tonight http://i.imgur.com/Zefgg6I.png. T2 is irrelevant due to game mechanics, not counting enrage nub strat of course. T4 is BLM heaven, while T5 is usually the SMN or MNK based on RNG.

DRG preform the same as MNK if skills are equal give or take. As for primals ex, Garuda BLM. Titan Bard/SMN/MNK/DRG/BLM preform very well there and can top off each others form fight to fight but an excellent Bard with DRG in the party can destroy everyone in Titan ex, Ifrit I forgot.

My own observation and experience. Yours might be different so don't hate.

[Sleigh]

T1 - SMN rules, no one comes close to the multi-DoTs. MNK is closest, with it being virtually a training dummy fight if you burn Cad.
T2 - depends on route but MNK can win
T4 - BLM depending on the other members' AoE. If BLM has less time on AoE SMN can pull ahead.
T5 - SMN from all the groups I've seen. MNK is a close second but it can't compete with SMN's multi-DoTs on the Scourges, snakes, and Dreadknights.

[Ryuko]

I can confirm the claim that SMN and MNK do really well in T5. From my experience, it is almost always me and a monk competing for the #1 spot in T5, assuming the monk knows what they are doing. We do not have a monk in my static and I do not often get to play with good monks, but the one time we had to pug a melee I was super impressed.

It's really hard to judge a job based on their overall damage/dps because, as Sleigh said, SMN will naturally come ahead because of their DoT spreads and the damage that ticks while they are dodging. What I like to see is where people spike and when. Useful dps is more important to me than overall dps/damage. Most importantly, I think the use of parsers should be constructive (not just an arbitrary way to say who is better)... One example would be my static group... One of our members was not pulling their weight in dps, so we were able to (politely) bring it up and they were able to practice and improve, no feelings hurt. We were frequently hitting the hard enrage timer prior to him bringing his dps up to speed, but we one shot it last week. We complimented him on his increased damage and he mentioned he had been practicing on a dummy.

[NeoAmon]

Snip

This guy/girl and his/her group knows how to use parsers. WP my friend . I'm serious btw not trolloing or being sarcastic as I'm a supporter of parsing everything to improve myself and the rest of my group.

[wicked-one]

Well, in T5 it´s really hard to say. Overall, i would suggest SMN - because DoT´s obviously do Damage while the Caster is Moving, also Melees are able to dodge and Damage as well, so our Monk also does good DPS.

On our Yesterday´s clearling, I was top with 271 DPS, while the 2nd Blackmage was about 220...

While i made some short Damage Stops to have Mana Full when Knights or Conflag came, and still got the Topspot... while the equally equiped BLM got caught in Conflog and Knight often, so... in my opinion, pure numbers don´t say all about the fight performance...

[wicked-one]

That´s an interesting strategy, but risky for a BLM to deplete his MP so early (when Knight spawns), cause if something goes wrong, you could stand there long time with no Mana, and watching the Knight run towards your Partymember...

could fit in when you are missing the timing and the Knight spawns while you are Firespamming, but i usually prefer being full of Mana when this happens... it´s more on the safe side, in my opinion...

[YunieAura]

T1 - MNK
T2 - MNK
T4 - MNK/SMN/BLM
T5 - MNK/SMN/BLM

[EasymodeX]

T5 and T4 are far too variable in terms of methodology and RNG for most DPS results to have any meaning beyond "you didn't suck".


T1 Cad parses are skewed moderately in favor of Summoners and Bards due to multi-dotting for half the fight. It's not unusual for top-end SMNs to exceed 380, probably hit 400. MNKs should ready 380 or higher. On my DRG my friend says I parse up to 370 on Cad with most runs at 360-365. Personally, I just want some of longnu's crit% luck. A 44% crit rate on my autos would go a long way towards an epic parse. With multi-dots, Bards can actually hit some pretty high numbers. IIRC they've parsed up to 360 or so.

T2 depends a bit on methodology, and also whether you're parsing the full gauntlet or just the ADSboss. That on top of other variables tends to make people ignore the fight for parses ... unless they're doing the enrage strat. If they're doing that, then their group competency is probably not at the level where their individual skill would put out meaningful numbers.


The main issue with T4 is the extreme skew towards SMNs and BRDs for the clockwork multi-target non-AOE phases, versus the heavy skew towards BLMs and DRGs for the AOE phases. The AOE phases themselves are problematic because a second player's AOE DPS will eat away from the first player's. As a general example, the highest SMN parse I've heard about for T4 was in a group where they (and another SMN) were the only AOE/multitarget DPS.

In a group with a BLM, the SMN would never have hit those #s because the BLM would have wasted the AOE phases too quickly for DOTs + multi-Bane + Shadowflare to really deal that much damage. When you throw down a BLM + DRG + WHM Holy, then all of a sudden you have so much AOE DPS that neither DPS player will really rack up huge #s in the final parse.


T5 simply has a ton of variables. Everything from conflag/dreadstun RNG where Monks get decked 10-15 DPS on the parse for every unfavorable event, to "who gets to pew pew the first two snakes". Normally a BLM is assigned that duty. Bards can also get extra DPS from it, even if that DPS is 80% fluff / stat-padding. Summoners are the most efficient Hygeia crushers, so they tend to gain a ton of damage pad on that phase, if the group leaves it to them to drop the HP (which they should). As a minor sidenote, BLMs are actually inefficient at dropping the first 2 small snakes.

[Warrlordd]

For the first 4 Turns i see myself doing top DPS, if not me in T4 then its the BLM. In the T5 clear group i have we dont have a summoner, just a blm for casters, and he does miles more damage than what everyone else put out. mind you, i sacrificed myself to the hatch to save a healer so... tough to say from that 1 clear