PLEASE, stop teaching/telling new healers to DPS

[Heofonum]

Best way to learn how to heal is to DPS. Because if you let your tank die from doing it too much, you should realize that was too much.

Not trolling.

Not...um...not even close.

You can't go into a healing role with dps as your platform for performance. This isn't to say "dps players will never understand healing". No, it's considering any healing job as a dps class. Which is essentially what you're saying is the correct approach to being a good healer. Might as well continue down that one-way road of oxymoronic logic and state that to be a good dps, you must first know tank young grasshopper.

[givemeraptors]

didn't read too many of this thread cause of 14 pages but there is a time and place for everything and nothing is more annoying then watching a healer do absolutely nothing. not even draw their weapon because no one needs a heal. That's just leeching imo.

You must be joking. I will willingly stand there and do nothing because if I pop Cleric and the tank suddenly decides to be a little too slow to dodge that AOE suddenly I have an "OH SH!T!" moment where I need to wait a painful 1.5-2 seconds to exit Cleric then yet more time to actually cast that heal.

We have no obligation to DPS AT ALL. Absolutely ZERO. It is not our job in the slightest. It is not "leeching". You'll know when a healer is actually "leeching" because YOU'LL BE DEAD.

[AldoVonAlexandros]

this still alive? lol, great healers can dps, bad cant.

[SeraviEdalborez]

You must be joking. I will willingly stand there and do nothing because if I pop Cleric and the tank suddenly decides to be a little too slow to dodge that AOE suddenly I have an "OH SH!T!" moment where I need to wait a painful 1.5-2 seconds to exit Cleric then yet more time to actually cast that heal.

We have no obligation to DPS AT ALL. Absolutely ZERO. It is not our job in the slightest. It is not "leeching". You'll know when a healer is actually "leeching" because YOU'LL BE DEAD.

A) That tank is an idiot and that's not your problem.
B) By the time you reach any point in a trial/dungeon/raid where said tank could be hit by a dodgeable AoE, you should know how good or bad of a dodger they are and if they aren't, not go into Cleric in the first place.

Worst-case scenario examples are funny.

As an aside, this is exactly the kind of thing I'm referring to when I say it is a healthy experience to try DPSing as healer. So you see these situations crop up and think to yourself "welp, I did that wrong. What do I do differently next time?"

[givemeraptors]

A) That tank is an idiot and that's not your problem.
B) By the time you reach any point in a trial/dungeon/raid where said tank could be hit by a dodgeable AoE, you should know how good or bad of a dodger they are and if they aren't, not go into Cleric in the first place.

Worst-case scenario examples are funny.

As an aside, this is exactly the kind of thing I'm referring to when I say it is a healthy experience to try DPSing as healer. So you see these situations crop up and think to yourself "welp, I did that wrong."

Except why do it wrong at all? That example doesn't mean the tank is an idiot, people aren't freaking robots, sometimes they are just a little slow to react. This is a game not a job. And that is far from a worst case scenario, no idea how much healing you've done if you think this is the worst that can happen.

I occasionally DPS as a healer but I actually find it not very fun since my damage contribution is minimal and if the content is so easy the healer can serve as a functional third DPS why aren't we just speed-running/mass pulling, which actually does require the healer to be on their toes.

[SeraviEdalborez]

my damage contribution is minimal

This is a terrible mindset. DPS'ing WAR + DPS'ing SCH together can slightly exceed the output of most DPS, in roughly a 3/5ths and 2/5ths split respectively. In content that "matters" too, such as Garuda and Titan Extreme. Having a standard 2/2/4 with the DPS behavior of 2/2/5 is not minimal in the slightest.

[PrincessOfSwords]

Best way to learn how to heal is to DPS. Because if you let your tank die from doing it too much, you should realize that was too much.

Not trolling.

Why is the "best" way to learn doing the wrong thing and having to relearn (harder thing to do) because you let the tank die and "realized"? When you can learn the right way to begin with and gradually ease into dps when you are more comfortable? Honestly, it's really easy to ease into this from a pure heal standpoint. Because you get that down, then you get bored, so you toss on an Aero, then you start doing more and knowing your own limits WITHOUT having had to suffer a tank death to learn it.

For people that are completely new to healing, I would advise a pure healing -> heal and dps without cleric stance -> heal and dps with cleric stance progression as comfort allows.

[Heofonum]

For people that are completely new to healing, I would advise a pure healing -> heal and dps without cleric stance -> heal and dps with cleric stance progression as comfort allows.

This.

Emphasis on pure healing times a billion, to include all minimal nuances therein.

Be a great healer before you start trying to cross-class and act outside the role you purposely rolled to to heal. I've never heard of a player rolling a healing specific toon for the sole purpose of learning how to dps. Jump a thread over and join the WHM tank with that mentality.

[spaace]

this still alive? lol, great healers can dps, bad cant.

it also has SOME slight skill factor from the tank on this too.

shitty tank who takes tons of dmg... bad situation...

I can DF a place with 2 tanks equally geared... 1 will be a breeze to heal.. (regen w/cleric stance GG), other i'll be hitting with heals all run..

[Anienai]

I have a 50 Sch and I dps every chance I get. Any healer that stands there and does not dps is bad. Most pick a healing class so they can leech and insta que.