New dungeons confirmed i55?

[Brannigan]

It's gonna suck if these dungeons are actually doable by an average group with i55 gear. If that's the case, then the dungeons probably won't challenge anyone in better gear. I really like dungeons like Pharos Sirius, but the stuff just doesn't really hit hard enough. The leveling dungeons all really hit hard and have a lot of HP when you first enter them, but there's not really any sense of that at 50 outside of Coil.

[L-D-Omlette]

It's gonna suck if these dungeons are actually doable by an average group with i55 gear. If that's the case, then the dungeons probably won't challenge anyone in better gear. I really like dungeons like Pharos Sirius, but the stuff just doesn't really hit hard enough.

Are any of the current iLvL requirements accurate for an AVERAGE group? What leads you to believe that this will be true for the three new dungeons?

[Brannigan]

Well, I guess I should have said they shouldn't be doable by ANY group in i55 gear. Ignoring the mechanics and going just by the numbers, the monsters should hit too hard for an i55 tank to survive and an i55 healer to heal through. The DPS checks should be too high for i55 DPS. The actual requirements should be higher. There's plenty of crafted and tomestone gear available for people to close the gap. When I said average I misspoke; I meant without using gimmicks. Like you could probably keep an i55 tank alive through Twintania with the right party setup.

[Legend_]

Good conversation on both sides I read all. I highly doubt we will be able to just farm this for the best equipment.

Why stop at min iLvl? Maybe start a min and max iLvl and go horizontal

[Yumi_umi]

Technically in PS the other classes ilvl don't really matter as much as the whole dungeon was kinda designed for the healer in the group. It's all about the healer carrying the group ;0 .
We need a new dungeon that will make the dps the focus of the mechanics.
Cuz tanks and healers already had their fair share of make it or break it content that relied vastly on their skill and knowledge of the job.
Minimum ilvl is just "minimally" acceptable, hence the minimum.

[Warlyx]

so its worthless even before its released? /sigh SE!

[Sylve]

I'm all for the new dungeon content to be accessible to a larger scope of players but when someone que's up for the dungeon barely meeting the minimum ilvl requirement hoping to be carried, it really hurts the group as a whole.

I think the ilvl should be atleast 75. like others have said.

If it was, then my BCB clearing i74 Paladin, Scholar and Monk would all be incapable of queuing for it. ~_~

[SpookyGhost]

If it was, then my BCB clearing i74 Paladin, Scholar and Monk would all be incapable of queuing for it. ~_~

You clear t5 with an i74 PLD? O_O

[Sylve]

You clear t5 with an i74 PLD? O_O

Not T5 no. But i am clearing turns with it, and my Monk.

Even still, do you think the very first Twintania kill was done with an ilevel much higher, given that we only had i70 / i90 at the time?

The point is, for a 4man dungeon, even a hard one, You shouldn't need a quality of gear that is acceptable in BCB.

[Nekodar]

The problem with the ilvl being so low is the fact that now people in crappy gear can fully skip the content we all had to work on to develop our characters, and end up skipping the better part of the game.

Really? A fresh level 50 is not gonna be ilevel 55 no matter how you twist and turn it, unless he/she buys better crafted gear or is given better gear, and if that's the case, he/she can reach i70 without ever entering one of those dungeons...
Now if we take a fresh 50 that doesn't have gil as an example. He/She/It will have to do CM, Prae, WP, AK, HM HM, CBM HM, PS and/or CT in order to reach i55 and be able to enter these new dungeons.
If the player isn't a complete moron, he/she/it will quickly realize that it's better to gear up even more for the harder dungeons.

As for the argument that "we had to go the hard way so they should have to go the hard way too"... I suggest you start walking everywhere you go, start farming or hunting for everything you eat, make your own clothes, etc. because that's what our ancestors had to do. They had to go the hard way so we should too, right?