Confirmation of Uncapped Raids. Confirmation of a terrible decision.

[Griss]

Rich you do know that /pcmd oust and /pcmd leave exist right?

If any one does not want a r50 to run with them in toto rak then don't let it happen. its this simple, Hey bob could ya change your class to something a bit lower? no? Boot.

If i had every thing at 50 then i would not be looking at toto rak at all, I would be looking at the darkhold. If any thing substantial drops out of toto that is not completely and totally outclassed by darkhold drops then that will be the true failure.

I mean heck, I could go out and beat up kids for candy and pocket change and that might have been worth while when i was that age. But these days the reward is not worth the effort and its no challenge at all . its the same situation with the people who are r50 everything.

[Rentahamster]

ok i'm not sure how much more i can explain it. if i want to run through the r30 dungeon to see what is in it or to help a ls mate get something he needs then that is my business. this is an instanced dungeon and you will not even know i am there. i find helping other people and exploring fun.

This isn't about whether you are there or not. This is about being rewarded for good loot even though you didn't even have to try hard because you steamrolled the dungeon with your rank 50.

[Sigmakan]

but why SHOULDN'T it be? Why should this game be watered down like the 10 other MMOs that have come out side Vanilla WoW? Or at least why shouldn't there be an option to make EVERYTHING challenging?


To each his own.

Agreed. I have yet to see a good reason to NOT cap the R30 dungeon at R30. They are clearly ok with requiring you to have a MINIMUM rank (which quite frankly is dumb, if I want to go in there as R15 the difficulty of the dungeon should act as its own 'rank requirement').

The rank requirements and lack of cap, as well as party member requirements (has to 4 and 8 exactly, wtf? so we are SoL if we have 7 members ready to go?) are completely asinine.

[Rinsui]

A r30 dungeon isn't hard for a r50 player, period. If I have to cap my own skills at r30, then it is a cosmetic challenge only.

So, in that vein, the Promathia missions were only "cosmetic challenges".
Dammit, do you even know what you are talking about?

[darkstarpoet1]

I find challenging content fun. Why can't I have what I want too?

if you get into the r30 dungeon as a r30 class it should be challenging and fun for you. if i go in with my r50 with someone from my ls that needs help that is fun for me. i can't tell you how many of my lower ranked ls friends i have helped by jumping on my r50 to go kill bardi or cactuar jack to get the piece of gear they wanted. the being able to help someone is just as much fun for me as the challenge is. i will do the r50 dungeon for the challenge and the r30 one to help others. to me both dungeons will be fun in their own aspects.

[Richard]

why shouldnt a r30 be allowed in a r50 dungeon?
its the same concept

the why doesnt matter

it is what it is

Because there has to be balance and optimization? What would a R30 possibly hope to achieve in a Dungeon with all 50+ mobs? There is a minimum cap of 45 for that very reason. The same reason anyone below R25 would not do well in a dungeon designed for R30's with all 30+ mobs.

you are getting a little bit off track from the original concept of this thread. They why DOES in fact matter because the what is, is defined by the why from the beginning. That is how good games are designed.

[Rentahamster]

If someone ones wants to be hand-lead through the dungeon, what difference does it make to you?

Because that person will get rewarded with good raid loot for doing absolutely nothing. If he wants to get hand-held, that's fine. Just don't give any raid gear rewards in that scenario.

[Peregrine]

You all aren't using the dev tags. I put one on the topic.
This very thing is why the people who say "wait until X is implemented before saying Y are wrong.
Now it is too late to level cap them.

I should have made a stink about it a month and a half ago and dragged people kicking and screaming through the topic.

Back then they could have changed it to the right decision.
Now they can't.

Now we can only hope Yoshida did this for a good reason and not because putting a level cap mechanic in it would have simply delayed the launch of the raid.

Hope is inferior to stopping the forseen when you're able.

Next time the devs mention they're working on something, you all need to make it very clear what you don't want them to do, especially if they are likely to do it.

It is your all's faults for raging at this. You should have made this quite clear that you wanted them capped back in march.

[Richard]

Rich you do know that /pcmd oust and /pcmd leave exist right?

If any one does not want a r50 to run with them in toto rak then don't let it happen. its this simple, Hey bob could ya change your class to something a bit lower? no? Boot.

If i had every thing at 50 then i would not be looking at toto rak at all, I would be looking at the darkhold. If any thing substantial drops out of toto that is not completely and totally outclassed by darkhold drops then that will be the true failure.

I mean heck, I could go out and beat up kids for candy and pocket change and that might have been worth while when i was that age. But these days the reward is not worth the effort and its no challenge at all . its the same situation with the people who are r50 everything.

you miss the point that there are people who don't have jobs below the 30's and 40's anymore.

[Richard]

It doesn't destroy the challenge unless you want it to destroy the challenge. If you don't want to be lead through the dungeon by someone level 50, don't get someone level 50 to join you, form a party of level 25's instead.

If someone ones wants to be hand-lead through the dungeon, what difference does it make to you?

you miss the point that there are people who don't have jobs below the 30's and 40's anymore.